The difficulty at the top of the game (heroic modes etc.) has been high for some time and is reasonably consistent now.
LFR is meant to be "dumbed down" and is there so everyone gets to experience the lore & content equally (which is great 'cause we all pay for it equally).
The dumbing down has happened in 5-mans mostly. There's no more requirement to CC mobs or be careful of patrols. There's no complex dungeon layouts like with BRD. Of course there's also almost no reason to do 5-mans at all anymore which is a shame considering how much design time will have gone into them. I always felt that it was in 5-mans that player skill was most evident. It's a place where you can't hide behind 16 other DPS players or be dragged along by 5 other healers.
I realise that challenge modes were meant to become this but with no material reward they were never going to take off.
In the next expansion I'd like to see 5-mans that rival/surpass raids for difficulty. They could have their own progression like with the Icecrown dungeons back in WotLK.
ITT: Adding more casual friendly options while making heroic raiding the hardest it's ever been = dumbing down.
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And so on. There will always be other people who are inferior to you in a given field and produce inferior results for lesser compensation. If you think that justifies you abandoning all these fields, you're going to have a VERY unfulfilled life. If you're petty, at least remember that you'll get better loot from the higher raids; if you can manage a more measured response to the whole different-levels-of-raiding concept, be happy you are talented enough to raid at a level these other people can't manage.
Or, of course, quit the game and claim it was because you're too good and there's no incentive to, you know, challenge yourself and have fun.
just looking at the raid forum on the US site has already a place dedicated to people looking for challenge mode groups or people for groups, then there is trade chat and open raid, heroic guilds are recruiting all the damn time
you have to go out of your way to avoid the challenging content
But challenge modes should have no problem with that forum up there. If players are linking their Battletag thingy then you could hook up with them at any time they like. Boom - then you're getting your challenge fix while everybody gets what they want. Everybody wins. ^_^
I find it VERY ironic that it's the Hardcore Raiders who claim they want challenge and others are just "entitled crybabies" when they, themselves, are the ones who are crying that Blizzard isn't catering to them (entitled to have Blizz train good players) instead of themselves stepping up and TRAINING new raiders or looking for others.
I'd be perfectly okay if they switched up the 5 man model a bit more. Normal modes for leveling, heroic for max level that gives reasonable gear, and then challenge/elite mode for people who either don't want to raid, don't have enough people or time, or just fancy a change.
Elite modes would be the current challenge modes, only untimed and having daily lockouts. You have to form a group from your own server or friendslist and travel there, and you get the same loot drops as Heroic only with a satchel with random current-tier LFR items dropping off the final boss.
Pipe dreams, but hey.
so many PvE players who actually think HC raiding is hard.
Just sad. HC raiding is faceroll, get over it and try to realize pve is not difficult anymore.