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  1. #381
    so many PvE players who actually think HC raiding is hard.

    Just sad. HC raiding is faceroll, get over it and try to realize pve is not difficult anymore.

  2. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    BC was FULL of welfare epics even from the get go. Craftable epics, heroic dungeons with epics, ARENA for weapon epics. Coming out of vanilla it was a BONANZA an embarassment of riches really. BC was such a care bear expansion it's not even funny.
    Oh, it's this delusion guy again.

    FULL of epics. You could get sub-T4 level items, and then barely sub-T6. Dungeons had a small chance to drop an epic on the last boss, hardly a surefire thing. Craftable epics? That cost money and mats, that's not welfare. Badges of Justice took time to get, they took heroic dungeons. You aren't grinding out your VP cap in a day in those dungeons, they took work.


    But, you're right, BC was carebear, so... what is Mists? Progress Quest?
    Last edited by fangless; 2013-06-25 at 04:34 PM.

  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    I find it VERY ironic that it's the Hardcore Raiders who claim they want challenge and others are just "entitled crybabies" when they, themselves, are the ones who are crying that Blizzard isn't catering to them (entitled to have Blizz train good players) instead of themselves stepping up and TRAINING new raiders or looking for others.
    I'm hoping that Flexi-raids are going to help increase the number of raiders. Why? Because many guilds are unwilling to try new people in current content due to the lockouts. Taking new players and training them up in Flexi-raid might help boost the numbers without taking risks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hb View Post
    so many PvE players who actually think HC raiding is hard.

    Just sad. HC raiding is faceroll, get over it and try to realize pve is not difficult anymore.

    Link 13/13 Ahead of the Curve and then we might take you seriously.

  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    Spamming trade chat for 20-30 minutes isn't making friends.
    You were either on a bad server or anti-social. My realm had a great community. I had lots of friends. If you aren't here to socialise then you are playing the wrong game. Oh wait that was two expansions ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    If my job was my life's passion and found it personally fulfilling and fun? More than most likely, yeah - I would. Or I would at least turn it into a hobby while I looked for another paying job (just to pay the bills really).
    Good for you. Most people wouldn't work for nothing. Not unless they were rich already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    The 13 ilvl from lfr to normal can increase your dps by a lot.
    Do you remember that guy on your server with Ashkandi, or Thunderfury in tier 2? Do you remember that rogue with warglaives?

    What do we have now? Everyone looks the same except for people who completed the Challenge Modes. That's one of the few things Blizzard did right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    What do we have now? Everyone looks the same except for people who completed the Challenge Modes. That's one of the few things Blizzard did right.
    Remember when Xmog first came out and every rogue and their mother had Bloodfang?
    Even to someone who is anti-snowflake you can't possibly think that won't affect your decision of xmogging Bloodfang or desire to farm it, right?
    Even as a Shaman I stayed the fuck away from T6. It was like a "noob" badge.

  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by Durandro View Post
    Its where the term 'Welfare Epics' came from, indeed. People are quick to forget, and also quick to forget how much moaning there was that the Wrath heroics only dropped a couple of epics off the final bosses!
    I've never... EVER... heard anybody in Wrath complaining about only a "couple of epics off the final bosses." I assume you're talking about heroic 5-man final bosses?

    First off, the bosses only ever dropped ONE epic. Not "a couple" - so your memory is already pretty damn faulty more so than others.

    Secondly, I've heard FAR more complaints from elitist jerks claiming that "Epics aren't epics anymore because Heroic 5 mans drop epic loot!" than what you're claiming.

    lastly, the fact that the item dropped was pretty well forgotten after the first tier - and indeed it became VERY useful in LFD as that epic item that dropped often got converted into a void crystal - which was great for either selling or using for enchanting. Not sure about Pandaria (as I haven't played it), but all through Cata there were NO sources for epic enchanting crystals in the heroic/5 man area.
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    That's the ONLY reason you would post 9600 posts over 3 years: a mission of hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamran View Post
    Idk where did you get that idea but if you were a good player during tbc you didn't have to spam trade chat. Only baddies with no friends did.

    And baddies with no friends should not be able to do anything in a mmo.
    So how did you make friends if you already had them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    World of Warcraft has always been the easiest MMO, and that is what it was sold on. If you ever played Everquest or even earlier MMO's you would realize that WoW was decried in the beginning as too casual. When TBC launched, it coined the phrase "welfare epics".

    The game isn't dumbed down but it's simply made accessible to everyone regardless of skill level. There is still challenge to be found - at end game, where it's supposed to be. Leveling the first time, when you know nothing at all, is fun, but no one wants extreme challenge for their 9th or 10th character at that point. You can find plenty of challenging content in heroic raids, heroic scenarios, & challenge modes. People who like to coast along will enjoy regular heroics, scenarios, and LFR.

    In essence? What you want isn't necessarily what everyone else wants, but WoW does its best to cater to both.
    Agree with what you say, and don't forget Brawler's guild, world bosses, rare npc's, and achievements like Insane and Stormbreaker which are fun and challenging too. The game is fun, not hard, and still a challenge at end game. And even if it doesn't seem too challenging, the point is, it is fun and that is what a game should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    You were either on a bad server or anti-social. My realm had a great community. I had lots of friends. If you aren't here to socialise then you are playing the wrong game. Oh wait that was two expansions ago.

    I have no problems with friends. I'm in a great guild, we just moved from Bloodhoof-US to Stormrage-US. We also went from 10-25 man. If I need a group for something I ask in guild chat.



    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    Do you remember that guy on your server with Ashkandi, or Thunderfury in tier 2? Do you remember that rogue with warglaives?

    What do we have now? Everyone looks the same except for people who completed the Challenge Modes. That's one of the few things Blizzard did right.
    Nope I don't. I wasn't one to go around looking at others gear. I was one to go get it myself. I don't care who looks like what. I play this game to have fun, not to try and rub something in someones face that I don't even know.

  10. #390
    The game/raiding was never hard, just time consuming get over it. Nowasays it is dumbed down and you don't have to farm as much as in the early days but that doesn't mean that raiding was "hard". You cannot kill a boss with "skill" since you need certain equip for the tank to survive or have enough dps to kill the boss in time and you cannot increase your item stats with "skill" get over it. Also this game is so laughable "easy" if you can even use the term for it. It's only a few button presses. In the past the tanking was at least not as braindead as nowadays since you had not aggro the entire fight with 1 attack and it's impossible for the damage classes to pull aggro nowadys which is kinda pathetic and the taunt abilitys have high range and bosses are not immune to it and each tanking class does so much aoe threat that it's unlikely for anyone to pull aggro as I just said. Get over it, the game was never "hard". Boss mechanics were a joke and are still a joke. It's just stats and stats is gear and gear is time.

  11. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule View Post
    Remember when Xmog first came out and every rogue and their mother had Bloodfang?
    Even to someone who is anti-snowflake you can't possibly think that won't affect your decision of xmogging Bloodfang or desire to farm it, right?
    Even as a Shaman I stayed the fuck away from T6. It was like a "noob" badge.
    Indeed. There's no way to stand out from the crowd anymore unless you have the Challenge Mode set. Hopefully Blizzard will solve this problem in the future then I personally won't care about LFR since people will have an incentive to aim higher.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    I have no problems with friends. I'm in a great guild, we just moved from Bloodhoof-US to Stormrage-US. We also went from 10-25 man. If I need a group for something I ask in guild chat.

    Nope I don't. I wasn't one to go around looking at others gear. I was one to go get it myself. I don't care who looks like what. I play this game to have fun, not to try and rub something in someones face that I don't even know.
    If things are so easy for you then why are you complaining about TBC? Meeting new people wasn't that hard unless you were on a dead server or one of those gigantic servers where no one knows each other but then you wouldn't be waiting long for groups especially if you were friendly and good. Servers knew who the undesirable players were.

    My point is people had something to strive for back then. Now they have virtually nothing to strive for and it has destroyed the game.
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    Biggest problem of WoW in my opinion?

    Unbalanced servers and factions, and the lack of actions against this by Blizzard until 5.4

    Ive had a lot of friends and guildies quit over our faction being stomped 5 to 1 on population. Or because the server is dead.
    And i think this started with Wintergrap and transfers in WotLK.
    There were factions on a lot of realms that never saw the Wintergrasp raid, because the other faction was superior in numbers. So they started to faction change.

    My realm was 55-45 at the beggining of WotLK, then at the end it became 65-35, up to now that it is around 75-25.

  13. #393
    Quote Originally Posted by Dole4011 View Post
    Let's take bets on when the OP landed his first Ra-den kill.
    He will kill him in 6.3 aproximately

    2 Trys left.

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    Vanilla was hard even if you didnt put a foot into a raid. Quest classes, t0 and t0.5, dire maul, ubrs, scholo & strat, epic quests which required 10+ ppl, getting your mounts, gettin your profs to max, and so on. TBC was even harder skill-wise cause heroic dungeons were really heroic.

    Getting full epic was also impossible without going into a raid. Oh and LFR isnt raiding. Idk what the hell it is but it is bad and people who use it should feel bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    If things are so easy for you then why are you complaining about TBC? Meeting new people wasn't that hard unless you were on a dead server or one of those gigantic servers where no one knows each other but then you wouldn't be waiting long for groups especially if you were friendly and good. Servers knew who the undesirable players were.

    My point is people had something to strive for back then. Now they have virtually nothing to strive for and it has destroyed the game.
    Where did I complain about BC. You going to tell me you never saw people spamming for groups in trade chat in BC?


    Don't know about you but I have plenty to strive for yet. I haven't come close to killing all heroic bosses while they are current content.
    I got challenge modes to complete that I haven't even begun yet.


    What were you striving for before that you can't now?

  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by kamran View Post
    Vanilla was hard even if you didnt put a foot into a raid. Quest classes, t0 and t0.5, dire maul, ubrs, scholo & strat, epic quests which required 10+ ppl, getting your mounts, gettin your profs to max, and so on. TBC was even harder skill-wise cause heroic dungeons were really heroic.

    Getting full epic was also impossible without going into a raid. Oh and LFR isnt raiding. Idk what the hell it is but it is bad and people who use it should feel bad.
    Vanilla was no way hard, it was time consuming. And I do believe we settled that years back, that time does not equal skill. One of my irl friend got to rank 14, because he had the stamina to stay in AV 12 hours a day while watching movies and eating chips. Another of my friends got into a raiding guild because he was a dwarf priest and could fear ward their tank. And I cleared ZG, AQ20, MC, BWL and got only to rank 11 because I had other things to do, than sitting there playing a video game 12 hours a day.

    WoW hasnt dumbed down, link me your HC progression if you want to prove its so darn easy anyone can do it.
    The talent trees arent any less rewarding now, you can simply just skip those stupid filler talents. And you didnt have more choices before, you had to google -> Rogue PvP spec etc. And you copied it. Now you can do just fine and use what ever talents you want (Yes some are better for some encounters/PvP moments), and that makes the new one actually better.
    Yes, everyone looks the same. But thats because a person who only got 5 hours a week to play, can clear LFR and get a different color than the HC progresser that raids 4x4hours a week..

    Dont forget its a game, you're ment to have fun doing it. If you dont have fun anymore - Quit and save the money for the many better games out there (Though imo, there is no other MMO that can compete with WoW, and yes I've tried quite a bit of them)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamran View Post
    Vanilla was hard even if you didnt put a foot into a raid. Quest classes, t0 and t0.5, dire maul, ubrs, scholo & strat, epic quests which required 10+ ppl, getting your mounts, gettin your profs to max, and so on. TBC was even harder skill-wise cause heroic dungeons were really heroic.

    Getting full epic was also impossible without going into a raid. Oh and LFR isnt raiding. Idk what the hell it is but it is bad and people who use it should feel bad.
    they can do whatever the f*ck they want and they don't need to feel bad about it, if the game offers them the choice to do so
    the only one here who should feel bad is you, because you take a game to seriously and you're so desperately trying to drag other people who just want to have fun down in order for yourself to feel better, yet you probably haven't accomplished anything outside a video game

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    And yet another player who didnt play classic judging by his nonsense talk about a game he didnt experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hb View Post
    so many PvE players who actually think HC raiding is hard.

    Just sad. HC raiding is faceroll, get over it and try to realize pve is not difficult anymore.
    Good to know even you can be carried through HC content 3 months after release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dole4011 View Post
    Let's take bets on when the OP landed his first Ra-den kill.
    This.
    Its fun that all people that complain that the game is to easy never seem to kill any of the hard bosses

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