Texas senator Wendy Davis stands for women's rights - literally

[Elegiac]

I should have clarified what I meant by it. It being the fetus. The fetus is not the mother.

Why? You've never bothered clarifying any of the other statements you give.

[Grumash]

Life isn't inherently valuable

And also life needs to be defined, which is hard to do and will almost always end up being arbitrary

Your values are different than mine, do not state your values as everyone's values.

It just boggles my mind that anyone would place the value of getting sex without worry over the value of a child (or for you nitpickers what can become a child).

[Garnier Fructis]

No analogy is perfect, you take advantage of the imperfection of such to make a flawed point. The point of saying value is of life, not of monetary concern, but that was the best analogy I could think of on the spot.

If you're analogy is so bad that it can be twisted with very little effort, you were better off just stating your point in place of an analogy.

Still, I'm amused that you would complain about flawed points after your hilariously wrong reading of my words which generated the criminal fetus idea.

Sometimes I wish some of the people in this thread were aborted.

I lol'd.

[Underverse]

It is its own individual. It is not the mother, and it is not the father. It is a completely new human.

It is both the mother and the father. It is not an individual. To be an individual, one must not be biologically/physically attached to another.

Siamese twins, for example; one individual, two brains.

Relinquish your mystical concepts of humanity.

[Elegiac]

Your values are different than mine, do not state your values as everyone's values.

You mean like you were doing when you said foeti are human beings with intrinsic value? Hypocrite.

It just boggles my mind that anyone would place the value of getting sex without worry over the value of a child (or for you nitpickers what can become a child).

Good for you. Why do you feel you should impose this on women that don't share your values?

[Deleted]

Why? You've never bothered clarifying any of the other statements you give.

I have multiple times.

[RaoBurning]

Your values are different than mine, do not state your values as everyone's values.

It just boggles my mind that anyone would place the value of getting sex without worry over the value of a child (or for you nitpickers what can become a child).

I'm going to go ahead and state again that this line of thinking is fallacious. Abortions don't exist exclusively to allow women to be super sluts without worry.

[Underverse]

Your values are different than mine, do not state your values as everyone's values.

It just boggles my mind that anyone would place the value of getting sex without worry over the value of a child (or for you nitpickers what can become a child).

I said inherently valuable. You can construct whatever value you want. But it doesn't change the innate quality of the value.

It isn't a child. I don't think anyone here would sacrifice their 7 year old to have sex once without having to worry about pregnancy.

[Deleted]

This reminds me of a quote by former Prime Minister of Australia Gough Whitlam.

"Mister Whitlam, what is your opinion of abortion?"

"Well in your case, it should have been retrospective."

Implying that people should have been aborted is a horrible thing to do. You should feel ashamed of yourself.

[Grumash]

That is false. In terms of both language and law Murder is described as having to be 'unlawful'. Abortions are legal, thus it is not murder.


The 'human being'/pre-human in question is only 'alive' due to it being a parasite within the woman's body. Thus, the woman's autonomy trumps the foetus' right to 'life'.

The main argument of this thread is about if abortion should be legal. I do not believe it should, and thus it would be murder.

That is very interesting language you are using. To be a parasite, an organism must be there against the will of a host. You may argue that the mother does not want the baby thus it is a parasite. However the mother was very happy to create this 'parasite', not to mention even viewing a fetus this way is morally appalling to me.

[Deleted]

I said inherently valuable. You can construct whatever value you want. But it doesn't change the innate quality of the value.

It isn't a child. I don't think anyone here would sacrifice their 7 year old to have sex once without having to worry about pregnancy.

Yet they would kill a human in an earlier stage anyway.

[Grumash]

I'm going to go ahead and state again that this line of thinking is fallacious. Abortions don't exist exclusively to allow women to be super sluts without worry.

If you have not been in this thread long, I will restate that in the case of rape or threat to the life of the mother, I believe abortion could be an alternative to full term.

[Elegiac]

Implying that people should have been aborted is a horrible thing to do. You should feel ashamed of yourself.

This was a quote made by a former Prime Minister of Australia, not me.

And even if I did, I probably wouldn't feel ashamed. Some people are just a complete waste of air.

[Wells]

Grumash how do define a human?

[Vivek]

Humans have rights, a fetus is a human. I'm not going over this again. You can find out all about this from

A. Biology class

If you ever got around to taking one, you'd be saying the opposite.

Well...who am I kidding. People like you are so hopelessly brainwashed that no amount of information is enough to make you change your stance. Maybe take your own advice and do a little research before assuming the science is on your side of the...."argument"...

[Elegiac]

The main argument of this thread is about if abortion should be legal. I do not believe it should, and thus it would be murder.

That is very interesting language you are using. To be a parasite, an organism must be there against the will of a host. You may argue that the mother does not want the baby thus it is a parasite. However the mother was very happy to create this 'parasite', not to mention even viewing a fetus this way is morally appalling to me.

Again, do you think that we shouldn't offer medical treatment to drunk drivers?

[Underverse]

It is connected/inside of the mother, but it is not the mother.

It is the mother, because it is part of her body. Physically and biologically attached. It doesn't matter if it shares the same exact genetic material.

Cancerous lesions are part of someone's body as well.

[smelltheglove]

Grumash how do define a human?

goddammit wells, we finally got off of that "debate", dont start it again

[Wells]

goddammit wells, we finally got off of that "debate", dont start it again

The lack of ideological introspection among the forced birthers is astounding. Those people never actually stop to think about their beliefs.

[Deleted]

It is the mother, because it is part of her body. Physically and biologically attached. It doesn't matter if it shares the same exact genetic material.

Cancerous lesions are part of someone's body as well.

A zygote is not a body part, no. A zygote is its own individual being. You're basically arguing that a common parasite would be the same as an arm. The funny thing here is that you think a zygote shares the exact same biological make up as its mother, which it does not.