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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisisvacant View Post
    I am not sure, however, if there is a Faceless equivalent in Lovecraftian lore. I have noted, however, the direct similarities between the known 4 Old Gods and their Lovecraftian inspirations.
    The Faceless on modeled on Cthulhu himself, who like the Faceless Ones is a servant of far more powerful entities. In some depictions Cthulhu is served by a race of smaller creatures who otherwise resemble him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisisvacant View Post
    It seems that there is a lot of complexity going on in the Old Gods' storyline involving child races. Typically, the Old God does not resemble the race he creates to do his bidding and, additionally, all Old Gods have some sort of connection to or display usage of Faceless Ones.

    Faceless Ones are often misconstrued as being directly created by (originally) Yogg-Saron and then also N'Zoth. However, neither of these are true. It seems that each and every Old God has displayed reliance on Faceless Ones in carrying out their greater schemes, including the creation of lesser races such as the Qiraji, Naga, and Sha. N'Zoth's Faceless Ones do tend to have a more aquatic appearance, but this is likely due to N'Zoth being chained under the sea and the Faceless Ones evolved over time.

    Additionally, murals of Faceless Ones are seen in countless locations including raids and dungeons associated to N'Zoth, Yogg-Saron, and Y'Shaarj. C'Thun has a huge following of Faceless Ones in the Twilight Highlands and Bastion of Twilight, etc.

    So, who are they? They are clearly a very developed race with different roles manifesting in different physicalities - casters, generals, "grunts", etc. They have their own language and their own hierarchy. So, where do they come from? Are they formed from the blood of the Old Gods? If so, who is responsible for which one? Furthermore, when we discuss the Faceless Army headed by Warlord Zon'ozz, etc - why would armies of the same race attack each other in this fashion? Further still, if the Big 3 (C'thun, Yogg-Saron, and N'Zoth) were supposed to be in cahoots, then why would Zon'ozz's army fight against the others?

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  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by LeoMi View Post
    Since the nature of the old god's has only been hinted at with titan lore, i have theories on them and the faceless ones. One of the titan machines says that azeroth was infected early in its development by "parasitic, necrophotic symbiotes". I think that this means they are god-like beings from outside the universe that azeroth inhabits. My guess is they need to be summoned by beings (like the faceless ones) to azeroth. There is a quest in outland where you stop some arraokoa from summoning an old god to Outland. Once summoned in they are bound to the planet and if killed cause a backlash that can bring doom to a planet (the sha).

    My theory is that the faceless ones are a primordial race of azeroth that summoned the old god's to azeroth. Once the first old god was summoned in others tried to find their way in, like flies to garbage. I'm sure a future expansion will elaborate on the faceless ones, they're one of the few unwritten parts of WoW's lore already in the lore.
    Prettymuch this. I've always considered the Faceless to be the progenitor race of Azeroth, who summoned these beings from beyond time and space to infect the planet with their "glory."

    I'm still curious, though, why they seem to use Faceless One murals as depictions of the gods yet no gods even remotely resemble Faceless Ones. Why erect Faceless statues? It seems to me that Faceless Ones rarely ever bother with idol worship outside of their designated god.
    Quite simple. It is not idol worship, merely them erecting memorials to their heroes, ancestors, and champions, similar to the entry bridge of Stormwind.
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  4. #84
    None of the old gods get a long, they wish to destroy each other and take whatever the other one has to enhance or strengthen it's domination.

    Even the sha's don't get along, they all wish to burry each other lol.
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    As I see it the old gods have two branches of servents each the elementals and the faceless ones.

  6. #86
    Maybe the Eastern Kingdoms's Old God is beneath Tirisfal Glades?

    It has been implied there is something terrifying down there, which also explains why the Highborne were drawn to that place. And there is that weird circle of wisps on the western mountains. Granted, Blizzard stated that terrifying thing is not an Old God, but who knows... The Sha were not suposed to be Old Gods as well.

    Or maybe the Old God is close to Stranglethorn. After All, there were peole going mad in Stranglethorn, there was that quest with a chest containing a piece of an Old God, Hakkar does name himsled "Blood God" and, well... Maybe trolls summoned an Old God there ages ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    I like to think that somewhere, buried deep beneath the sands of silithus, are ancient temples that C'Thun's servants once lived in. Within are all kinds of sarcophagi containing sleeping, mummified faceless ones that have dark, egyptian-themed armor and clothing.

    Waiting to be awakened.
    Egyptian-themed faceless. I am totally stealing that!

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisisvacant View Post
    If so, who is responsible for which one? Furthermore, when we discuss the Faceless Army headed by Warlord Zon'ozz, etc - why would armies of the same race attack each other in this fashion?
    Well, knowing that C'thun is the Old God of Chaos, I'd say the Faceless Ones fighting eachother are his doing.

    But to be honest, I think Blizzard is simply adding lore as they go, even though it sometimes contradicts established lore. They just don't know what they're doing and they just implement whatever they feel is cool at the time, they don't put as much effort into understanding the bigger picture than the fans do. So I wouldn't try too hard to find logic in it, unless you could find a theory that explains it all... but then when it becomes a popular theory it just means Blizzard is going to steal it.
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  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Madruga View Post
    Maybe the Eastern Kingdoms's Old God is beneath Tirisfal Glades?

    It has been implied there is something terrifying down there, which also explains why the Highborne were drawn to that place. And there is that weird circle of wisps on the western mountains. Granted, Blizzard stated that terrifying thing is not an Old God, but who knows... The Sha were not suposed to be Old Gods as well.

    Or maybe the Old God is close to Stranglethorn. After All, there were peole going mad in Stranglethorn, there was that quest with a chest containing a piece of an Old God, Hakkar does name himsled "Blood God" and, well... Maybe trolls summoned an Old God there ages ago?
    My guess is that the thing underneath Tirisfal is a corrupted titan well of power, like an evil version of Un'goro, Sholazar Basin, and the Eternal Vale.

    Somewhere down in Strangelthorn seems more possible... hell, maybe it's underneath Karazhan, kept bound by the ley line nexus down there.

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    It was stated many times that the Old Gods' armies fought each other simply for the fun of their masters, because they crave chaos and destruction in themselves.
    Zon'ozz was N'zoth's lieutenant, while Vezax was Yogg'Saron's. C'thun didn't have a faceless general, probably because he preferred to rely on the silithid/qiraji (like Y'Shaarj and the mantid). I guess that the Faceless Ones were created by the Old Gods from scratch (perhaps from their own blood), while the Silithid and the Mantid were already there and chose to serve them.
    You mention the Naga and the Sha but they aren't races on their own, the first ones are corrupted Highborne (the court of Azshara) while the second are the remains of Y'Shaarj, its heads to be more precise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    My guess is that the thing underneath Tirisfal is a corrupted titan well of power, like an evil version of Un'goro, Sholazar Basin, and the Eternal Vale.

    Somewhere down in Strangelthorn seems more possible... hell, maybe it's underneath Karazhan, kept bound by the ley line nexus down there.
    To the point, hasn't Blizzard said there is not an Old God in Tirisfal?

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    Yeah, they said it wasn't an Old God, but 'something horrible' or words to that effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtree View Post
    To the point, hasn't Blizzard said there is not an Old God in Tirisfal?
    Most they've said is "Something extremely unsettling". Anyone from Vanilla will remember Sylvanas found some Blood Stone pendants. That "Drank" Blood. Hrm. Stone / Ore that seems "Alive and yet not so" and has the elements in a state of fury in it. What does that sound like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukahn View Post
    Most they've said is "Something extremely unsettling". Anyone from Vanilla will remember Sylvanas found some Blood Stone pendants. That "Drank" Blood. Hrm. Stone / Ore that seems "Alive and yet not so" and has the elements in a state of fury in it. What does that sound like?
    No they specifically said it wasn't an Old God.

    Is there truly an Old God underneath the Tirisfal Glade?

    Nope! There's something incredibly unsettling there, but it’s not an Old God. It isn't recommended to go digging through the Glades, though.
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    I don't really have much to add to the topic, but as a Lovecraft fan myself I'm really enjoying the theories and the read. =) Keep it up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madruga View Post
    Maybe the Eastern Kingdoms's Old God is beneath Tirisfal Glades?

    It has been implied there is something terrifying down there, which also explains why the Highborne were drawn to that place. And there is that weird circle of wisps on the western mountains. Granted, Blizzard stated that terrifying thing is not an Old God, but who knows... The Sha were not suposed to be Old Gods as well.

    Or maybe the Old God is close to Stranglethorn. After All, there were peole going mad in Stranglethorn, there was that quest with a chest containing a piece of an Old God, Hakkar does name himsled "Blood God" and, well... Maybe trolls summoned an Old God there ages ago?
    I believe that Blizzard has stated it is NOT an Old God under Tirisfal.

    Chances are, it is where the final watcher of Ulduar was killed, or laid to rest.
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    Holy shit OP. You just put my own feelings of being a nerdy loremaster to shame!

    Props to you, that was a good read!

    Sadly, I have no idea. =/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shedeo View Post
    I believe that Blizzard has stated it is NOT an Old God under Tirisfal.
    They did. But they also said that Y'shaarj was 100% dead... and... well, that doesn't seem to be 100% true.

    Chances are, it is where the final watcher of Ulduar was killed, or laid to rest.
    As far as we know, Tyr is alive. Maybe he's out with the titans, bitch-slapping the Burning Legion with his silver hand.



    Just as another point to note, there may be old god-related badness underneath Bael Modan... A dwarf there states they found something "that shouldn't have been uncovered," and a gem from the area was able to morph a dwarf into a trogg. I'm somewhat doubtful it's a full-fledged old god; the land around it seems free of mind-controlled whack jobs, the dwarves don't seem too concerned with staying there, and the twilights cult took no interest in the area. Could be a vault of faceless ones, or a titan-quarantined "curse of flesh" vault.
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  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    I'm hoping Azshara proves to be more than N'Zoth's lackey. In fact, I've often said I would LOVE a "naga expansion" that seems to be all about bringing down Azshara, only to pull a trick on us and have Azshara corner the Alliance/Horde into helping her.....defeat N'Zoth. Using Neptulon to gain further control of the sea, drawing Horde and Alliance to ally with her against the Old God (not as friends...as in "we don't have a choice but to help the naga against a greater threat). All this concluding with an expansion where the "final bad guy" turns out to indeed be a bad guy and such a good one that she outplays us, outmaneuvers us, and actually escapes us/gets the better of us at the end. N'Zoth being the final boss and Azshara now free to do what she wishes rather than serve an Old God.

    Because y'know what...Azshara is supposed to be supremely bad ass. Supposedly with the exception of a few like Kil'jaeden and other higher rank members, the demons of the Burning Legion were actually afraid of her. She had a personal guard of Legion demons who became so loyal to her, they would have fought their own kind in her defense.

    It would say a lot if she were to scheme, plot, plan, and throw off the shackles of her Old God master. A feat no other has done. And what would that say about her when we revisited her for another expansion to really deal with her?

    But Blizzard is pretty straightforward with WoW, so I feel confident nothing like this would have any chance of happening.
    Shut up and take my money! I would LOVE for this to happen. That would be freaking amazing. I agree that the chances are slim. :/ But day-um... I would fangirl so hard if that happened.

    Loving this thread, guys. I've been soaking up all the wonderful Old God lore happening here.
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