As a raid leader myself, I feel like people make me want to cry more often than the other way around!
Raiding is not fun when you have people getting upset because they lost a roll on an item to another guild member.
My guild in Wrath of the Lich King broke up because someone lost a roll on the axe off Marrowgar.
People get too involved with the game they treat it like it's a job, and when they lose a promotion (item upgrade) to someone else they get upset.
If the leader was screaming, he's probably a dick and needs to work on that. On the other had, if someone is crying because of something their raid leader said over Vent, they need to work on some issues too.
How does this get 20 pages long? You got a raid leader who went nutso because a normal mode raid group that never raided together were thrown into a heroic raid and after 4 wipes the raid leader lost their mind and upset a bunch of players. The leader must of expected world first heroic raid quality skills from people who never raided together before.
I am still baffled why this thread has gone on so long.
Going to heroic vizier to get a feel for raiding/warm up for normal ToT, that's hilarious.
Back during WotLK, I was in a pretty hardcore yet friendly guild. We were working on Heroic LK 25 progression, and could usually get down to the last set of Valkys before someone would decide to herp derp and stand in defile, or run away from the group while inside Frostmourne. Anyway, one night we make it through the last Frostmourne phase with no issues and come out for the final phase. One of the healers stated before the raid started she was having issues with her latency due to a storm and her internet was going out a lot. The GM basically told her "too bad, you're raiding anyway". We all thought this was strange because the GM and specifically other raidleaders were always incredibly nice and understanding of issues. I even offered to heal instead of her and bring in another DPS, but the GM said no. So on the last defile after coming out of Frostmourne, she disconnects and is the target of defile. The whole floor is covered in defile, and the GM snaps. He beings cussing at her like I've never heard before, and basically tells her she is worthless, which I thought was funny because she had the most dispels and the most HPS than anyone else, even with a latency over 1,000. She begins to defend herself but the GM tells her to shut the fuck up, and that he was kicking her from the guild and raid. She begins to cry, and the asshole had the balls to make fun of her. Two of the raidleaders step in and tell him to drop his attitude and that it wasn't her fault. They get yelled at too. At that point everyone begins to log off the game and off vent. After that the GM turned over the guild to another member, and left.
As stated by others, people get too involved in the guild. Even if we had killed LK there, we weren't server first on heroic, though I do think we would of been 2nd or 3rd.
I can't recall a time when my raid leader made someone cry. I did make my raid leader cry once.
Back during TBC, we were in the middle of a routine Gruul's Lair run when my son suddenly and violently came down with food poisoning. I left my keyboard and immediately went to go check on him. It was so bad that we had to take him too the hospital. My wife (girlfriend at the time) opted to stay with him since I had to be at work fairly early the next morning.
So, I got home, and figured I had a few minutes to kill. I hopped on Vent to explain myself, but my raid leader wouldn't have it. She went off on me, calling me out on my apparently fucked up priorities, insulting both my girlfriend and my son, etc.
I lost it. There is a period of nearly two minutes that I cannot remember. According to those who were there, I screamed at the top of my lungs and threw out every creative insult in the book - and a few no one had thought of - without pause for one-hundred and twenty seconds. She started crying about fifteen seconds in, and left at the thirty second mark. I spent the rest of that time yelling at no one. When I was done, I logged out and went to bed, and spent the next week avoiding WoW.
The next time I got on, I found out that the raid leader had left the guild. She tried to whisper me in game, but I ignored her.
The moral of this story? Don't expect me to place WoW above my family, and don't get pissy when I abruptly leave because of an IRL crisis.
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I dont raid for this very reason. People getting so worked up when a group fails sucks.
If you're wasting the time of everyone else by wiping to simple mechanics then yes, you're going to get told off. Be it varying degrees of anger from different strokes of people, not a single one will pat you on the back and try to sympathise with you because that's not solving the issue.
Thats face it you have DBM flashing in your face telling you what direction to run, you have it also spamming an arrow on your screen telling you what direction and the fact people can still fail it with such handholding is beyond me at any skill level when all you have to do is stop tunnelling for afew seconds to move.
Also being so over-sensitive on the internet of all things is only going to cause you grief in the long run because the majority of the internet is full of twats, simple as.
Also I think its laughable that people support the GM's decision to kick the raid leader because he insulted his other half, this is the reason why couples are hugely frowned upon. A guy is taking his time to fully organized 9/24 other people, which is no easy task within itself and is for the most part a thankless job - But yeah, kick him because you're annoyed over someone close to you getting told off for being a less than stellar player. - But to counterargue my own point this raidleader in question was a fucking moron for taking them to one of the harder bosses during when it was current to practice for what is, a bunch of pretty easy flow normal bosses.
And to the people constantly spouting nonsense like "This is why I avoid raiding people are so mean!!!1!!" I doubt anyone would WANT you in there guild because you'd be such a over-sensitive baby, despite enjoying the company of most of my guildmates thoroughly I was told upon joining that if I fucked up, people will most likely get annoyed, and there fully within there right to. Thats not to say their going off there nut screaming like some prat, you come across people like that once in a blue moon.
Heroic vizier was never meant to be 1 shot...the attenuation mechanic is much harder in heroic than regular
Sometimes you have to get a little loud with your raid and call them on there shit
but it was only 4 attempts that time...
Hardcore progression is for the champions that want to win
Riggnaros for example and troxed from war ensemble are great raid leaders who raged but still got stuff done
Watch video at 3 minutes in
Last edited by TheNationGamer; 2013-07-05 at 05:15 PM.
I have done.
It was at that point where I stopped raid leading.
I'm good at organising things, the whole administrative side of stuff. Because I organised raids before-hand, recruited and interviewed raiders and kept tabs on everything I was the de facto raid leader.
However, I've never been good at leading people. I only found this out 2 expansions after I took up the title because until then, everyone I played with -
A - Knew their class/role very well and were able to put it into practice.
B - Were very self critical, they'd sort themselves out if they were screwing up.
C - Were very friendly. There'd never be any name-calling, finger-pointing or general disruptions for me to sort out.
There was essentially no need for a raid-leader. Just someone to organise things and help keep the guild running outside of raids.
After much of our group dissolved and we recruited more I found I was having to break up spits more often. I was having to criticise players fairly regularly and even get a tad angry to assert myself as the groups leader so that people would listen to me.
Now, some of you may be thinking "Yeah, that's just what a raid leader does" but due to my circumstances, I had never had to do it before in a large degree.
When I really did, I just couldn't handle it.
One of our DPS was repeatedly pulling aggro on a fight and when I asked him to keep an eye on his threat meters he replied with "Sorry, I just wanted to hit some good DPS numbers at the start, I'll sort it out" at which point I flipped out after hearing "I just wanted to hit some good DPS numbers" and (I don't know if I made him cry) made him very upset. He didn't want to raid with our group because of me.
I felt genuinely bad. I had raged at a guy who had admitted his own fault and was actively trying to better himself.
In fact, I felt terrible after I had calmed down and realised what I was doing.
At that point I realised I wasn't helping anyone, I was only ruining the experience for people so I took a backseat role and let others take over.
Eventually I left the guild as we didn't really have anyone qualified to properly lead and raids just sort of fizzled out, but regardless -
Yes I have upset someone as a raid leader. It's not my proudest moment and it made me realise I'm not cut out for raid leading.
If you spend your entire life getting senpai to notice you, you'll never notice anyone else.
Your raid leader is a bad person. Sure, people messed up, but it's heroic and not everyone can perform at that level. If people will not listen to normal commands, they will definetly not listen when you yell at them either.
That said, one should never take these things so seriously that you get this emotionally involved with the game to the point where someone can make you cry.
I've done a lot of raiding, and I've been through tons of fights and arguments. It's also the reason I don't raid anymore.
If you don't like WoW anymore, it may be a natural reaction to having played it for 10 years.