well, for me with about 39% haste raidbuffed, means it will got from about 27% in uptime on live with haste scaling and to about 20% on the ptr without haste scaling for wush atleast.
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i wouldnt exactly say its a nerf to other t15 trinkets, for heavy haste stackers it will be a slight nerf in their uptime, but with pandemic it should even out. for destro and demo it will be a definate buff assuming they dont stack haste to afflic levels. you certainly wont replace wush any time soon. and the amplification trinket is only bis bcoz of the critdmg it gives passively, atleast pre-ilvl 550 gear, so for those that are below ilvl 550 it wont really be better than say the BBoY(ofc it is inferior since you wont be able to use the proc optimally) bcoz you will get more static stats atleast in my ilvl 540 gear as for me it will give me about 964 haste and 800 mastery and +7% crit dmg and 11,7k int proc, thats barely better than wush, i dont think i would change my wush out until i could get atleast a hc version of the amplification trink. to me atleast the t16 trinkets are looking rather weak when you consider its the next tier.
Last edited by mmoca748dddcc2; 2013-08-11 at 02:38 PM.
Don't forget normal mode new trinkets are almost the same ilvl as HC TF Wushoolay, it should be no surprise they are about even.
I don't think Bindings is BiS at any gear level for affliction, because the proc rate is so low and we benefit a lot from buffing dots with procs. 7% amplification is at most ~2800 secondary stats, roughly 2-2,5k mastery and the rest crit, assuming you go for a certain haste cap and can reforge into mastery hard once you get the Bindings. That is equal to or only slightly better than the KTT passive, and the proc on that is just so much better.
Maybe it's better for our other specs, they have more benefit from long procs with longer cooldown I guess.
One thing of note is that Affi will need its damage tuned down because of the trinkets working as 10 second buffs but more often, now seen as you arent going to use wush forever that could actually hurt the spec in the long run, im interested to see how that plays out because its the exact same thing with Gosac and Fire mages with what they allow to be OP based on what the majority have.
In this case the HCTF Wush is literally absurd for affi, but its counterpart BBoY is no where near as strong.
Currently it's not a concern, as Wushoolay in its current state wouldn't be replaced until progress is over. The logical move would be to tone down the trinket, not the spec.
Ofc that would be the logical thing to do, but assuming it isint toned down then Affi would need to be nerfed accordingly (note why i made the statement in the first place)
Edit - Just because ive heard this a few times on posts ive read this weekend, 'Progress' is exactly what that says, no where does that mean that it counts only the world first race.
The majority dont actually have access to a HCTF Wush and therefore that puts the crowd that do in the minority. Now seen as blizzard balance around the majority that would lead you to the assumption that blizzard will let Affi run rampant with the trinket because eventually due to higher item level the trinket will be replaced. Except that we are about to come into a number pass and blizzard know full how well how retarded affi was with t14 trinkets.
Last edited by mmoc77bb2b62ef; 2013-08-11 at 05:11 PM.
what two are looking best for demo atm not had much time on ptr to test them out
For Destruction, doesn't Bindings increase the value of the Non-legendary meta gem? (+3% crit strike damage).
Are their effects multiplicative or additive?
Eh, not really? Unbuffed is 200%. Meta is 203%. Bindings is 207%. Additive they would be 210%, multiplicative they would be ~210,2%. Seems like a negligible difference to me.
I think Skull Banner stacks multiplicatively with all other crit damage increases, so I would expect this to do the same.
I'd put amp (heroic) ahead of KTT for demo for sure since both KTT and the cleave trinket do nothing for pets/guardians which is a huge chunk of demo regardless of grimoire choice. Stacking amp procs w' darksoul is going to be semi standard. BBoY is strong but you don't get a heroic version till progression is done so that's out unless you are comparing a normal vs heroic of others. For non demo KTT heroic will be strong as will amp. Wush will be strong if you can get a HTF in the next week...certainly strong enough to use through normal mode. KTT tends to be what...3-5% of dmg done on a non demo spec? Compared to the value of haste/mastery and better crit damage scaling...I would anticipate amp to win in the end. Especially since it allows offspec'ing demo w/o a trinket change.
I agree for Demo, but KTT is far better than Bindings for Affliction IMO. The passives are very close, and the proc is way better. It's a 10s proc on 0,92 RPPM vs 20s proc with 115s ICD. That means you get about 1,75x the procs from KTT. The duration matters very little to Affliction, since you can buff your dots with it either way.
For the same reason, I think FCoR (cleave trinket) is pretty good too. It has a 15s duration with 85s ICD, almost as many procs as KTT. The cleave proc is pretty powerful if you are doing any AoE. I would strongly consider it on Immerseus, Sha, Galakras, Spoils, and very importantly Garrosh. I think we will be a very good AoE class, MF Affliction is no joke at all and Demo/Destro obviously have good area damage as well. I was topping damage on AoE adds easily with MF Affliction on Immerseus testing, if done properly I don't think any other class can beat that.
The cleave trinket is going to be situationally powerful for sure. Not something I'd use outside of its niche at least when lock aoe is pretty good. Amp having a 20 sec proc to match w' darksoul is a big CD stacked. The second trinket (ktt/wush/etc) should be something often proc'ing to snapshot buffed dots. Double snapshotting is possible but probably not as powerful as CD stacking ultimately. Also since its looking like an aff/demo MS/OS I'd want to use a setup that works for both. At least till progression is done since our guild has unbelievably horrible luck re trinkets.
well, you're not taking into account that during those extra 10 sec you'd channel MG, its not much but it might be enough for bindings to pull ahead. also your pet benefits from the haste from the amplification trinket and pets wont benefit from the multistrike so that is a pro for bindings albeit a small one and you'd have a bigger chance for additional procs during a 20 sec window than a 10 sec window, maybe im just overthinking things.
Well I think more procs equals more fun in the end. I know pets benefit less from it, but your other point is not as valid. The uptime on KTT is almost as much as Bindings overall (10s per ~65s on average, vs 20s per ~120s), so the odds of having procs on top is the same for both. However you do have a point that a 20s proc is a lot better than it would be if you had a 10s proc with 115s ICD.
Of course in practice it will matter a lot what drops for you and what doesn't. Since BBoY is unobtainable for progress, I suppose we want HC KTT + HC Bindings anyway. Until you get both Wushoolay is a very nice substitute though.
Top 20 US guild....no wush, no hydra drops (only coined - but I haven't...others have), killed raden w' the shado pan trinket and a norm UVLS. Went all of DS without seeing a single CoC drop (hell was using a DMC:V through hspine). I'm pretty used to having utter **** in my trinket slots due to nothing more than RNG. I'd love to have a hc or htf wush for T16 progression but odds of it happening in the last week before 5.4 are probably something approaching powerball lottery slim.
I still favor an amp trinket for the CD stacking effect. I run herbalism/engineering on a troll so the 2 and 3x minute cycles are pretty potent. That's why I like the idea of something I can mate to darksoul and something else that procs a bunch to react to....."fun factor" style. I think if I were running BS'ing + a 320 static int profession then 2x often proc @ 10 sec ea trinkets would be stronger for me but that's honestly just a gut feeling.