1. Currently AS cost 30, but with ToTh beeing EXTREMLY strong atm in 5.4 and uptime is insane. Since AS can now procc now TotH stacks. Around 70% of all AS cost 10 focus.
2. AS also lower Rapid fire CD by 10 seconds for every cast. (With 2 set)
3. AS procc Cobra Shots that makes your pets get auto crits.
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With that said, I'd fucking love it if they got rid of RPPM for all future. It's a bad system in multiple ways. Haste is also a very boring stat.
It was their intention for you to use the meta gem in the tiers after ToT.
I for one did not go haste/crit until I had all the rppm items. And I asked about the meta gem because of the Sha touched 500 stat gem that was only good for the gun (which was used well into tot if you had 2/2 heroic).
Last edited by Slot; 2013-07-12 at 10:51 PM.
I am sure this will all be tested and proven in the following months but I am sure once you see the few top guild hunters going crit you will follow. I am just stating that I foresee it coming now because we will not be littered with rppm items next tier (thank god).
This whole game is around rng which gets annoying some times. But the topic that I originally got onto was that next patch we lose a few rppm proc items and that crit possibly will be better or around the same as haste.
You yourself mentioned jin'rokh. I simply stated that if something arose like that in the next tier, I'd still want to be the best I could be on all the other fights rather than just being slightly better on one fight (I didn't even mention that that fight is trivial because I wasn't comparing this tier).
We don't go for haste just because of Real PPM. There are numerous other benefits that come with haste.
As for the discrepancy in the logs, he was either luckier or was more skilled on that fight, or both.
Link your logs IMO.
Now from your posts you seem to know for sure haste will be the go to stat again next patch, I am simply throwing it out there that with the loss of rppm items crit could be better or around the same as haste.
Also I mention jin'rokh because of your passive aggressive "Bad streaks? What are you talking about?" post.
We will see how it plays out when patch launches. As I enjoy crit being our main go to stat more than haste I am hopeful that crit and haste at least become equal in strength and people can stat how they want.
Last edited by Slot; 2013-07-13 at 12:12 AM.
My post about your reasoning on bad luck streaks was to say that a hunter who stacks crit will be prone to worse bad luck streaks than a hunter who stacks haste. They are more susceptible to bad luck streaks. If he ever got more Real PPM procs/uptime than you did then he just got lucky or you got unlucky or both. So saying bad luck streaks are a disadvantage for stacking haste is wrong. One of the perks of stacking haste is that you are less likely to get bad luck streaks and if/when they happen they aren't as bad as a crit stacker who gets one.
I just am not seeing that losing a couple Real PPM items/procs will make crit better for BM.
Would you mind posting your logs/armory so I can see what bad luck streaks you are talking about in comparison to the other hunter? It could just be something as simple as him using focus fire more often or what have you.
I apologize if you see my posts coming off as being passive aggressive or anything negative, I'm just trying to converse and share my findings/reasoning/input.
One thing that I have notice is the crit/haste hunter has much better luck at the start of the fight with burst dps. We do the same rotation and everything. I know this because I taught him how to hunter. This does have strength in my opinion of haste and crit. I hate seeing his dps sky rocket at the start just because he crits more than me.
All in all we do come close at the end, going back and forth on who wins. Him more often than me, due to the higher ilvl. I'm just a fan of crit and big numbers for big shots/abilities.
It isn't luck, stop calling it that... You are both getting all your initial procs stacked, sometimes under bloodlust/heroism at the start of the fight. You should both have used an initial Rapid Fire as well. Stacked haste has diminishing returns while crit doesn't unless you or your pet hit 100%. So yes, he will pretty much always burst higher than you at the start of a fight. So what though? What matters is whether he does more damage over the course of the entire fight since no fight in ToT and so far in SoO testing relies on opening burst.
Last edited by kidsafe; 2013-07-13 at 02:10 AM.
Ok guys, looking at everything, this just does it. We NEED the CD reduction trinket next tier. Stampede is a good CD again, but not only will it buff our deterrence and disengage, (if my math is close to correct) it will basically negate the increased CD on deterrence (see the patch notes) and with CTHC we can have it on a ~1 minute CD (with charges) and disengage will be on a on a ~7 second CD.