We're progressing in our guild, so we would be very reluctant bringing someone with 505 in even though you're a great player. Unfortunately, we can't afford to take in a player on a test run since we're an unstable 10man guild, so there's one reason as to why you're not getting a guild.
We've got 12/12 and we're about to start on heroics, so we really want people geared for it in our group.
HOWEVER, if you posted logs, there would be a very significant increase in getting in since we have very competent people that are able to see if you know your class properly. If it turns out that you're actually a very good player, then it most certainly would be possible for us to accept you into the raid group and gear you up. (As long as our 1+1=3 raid leader would listen to me)
My guild hit 13/13hc 25m this week, we're atm taking in anyone with raiding history regardless of ilvl. We're looking at maybe 1-2 months left of this tier and a lot of ptr testing to be done.
Here's some tips about applying to guilds if you're behind on gear.
1. Don't apply to guilds mid progress with shit gear, guilds will almost never take in players that can't jump into progress immidiately.
2. If your gear is bad then get into a normal mode guild, you can't go from LFR to heroic raiding if you don't know the right people.
3. Raiding history matters A LOT when you apply to guilds but if you can't help out during progress it doesn't mean shit, let's say you were in method for 4 years then stopped for 2years. If you were in LFR gear you'd still have to be fucking lucky for people to take you if they're mid progress.
Considering I can cap one toon in the first day of reset by doing a few h scenes and lfr...
It WAS time consuming, but now it is NOT. I manage to cap at least 3 toons, run lfr on them, and still work a fulltime job and spend much of my time with the family.
Challenge modes are the best for points I suppose, but h scenes are not far behind.
IMO getting into raiding guilds is difficult because the amount of casual guilds has plummeted, the ones remaining "think" they are good so develop "ilevel standards"
Its kinda funny...
If he applied to a guild done with progress or don't care about progress (like normal mode guilds) then he could be taken as a gearing project... trying to get into a heroic progression guild when you're 30 ilvls behind is NOT the way to fucking go, whenever I look at applies I look at their gear first to see if they're a gearing project or not. If we're in mid progress I would NOT take them but tell them to apply again when progress is done or join as social for the time being. During progress loot is a tool we need on players already in the progress group, giving those loot pieces to someone who can't be on progress is just stupid.
Wednesday morning I can login run LFR and I'm happy, if I have plans for Wednesday then no problem, I'll do it Thursday. If I was in a raiding guild I am TOLD when I have to raid, and this is usually 3-4 nights a week. There is a HUUUGGGGEEE difference. With Flexi raiding I'm hoping it's a challenge, the only reason LFR is slightly retard proof (can't stop people falling down on Elegon, etc) is because it's 25 random players with no coordination, not everybody wants easy content it's just that it has to be.
Also prior to LFR, I didn't raid at all during Cataclysm (until DS) and filled my game time with running 5 mans and heroics, levelling alts etc. With LFR it gives me so much more to do as a casual player, and that ladies and gentleman is the reason why we have LFR and as the devs have said it justifies spending more time on developing better raids.
Please don't make baseless assumptions, makes you look like an ass.
You say in one fart that you want to get rid of LFR so people are forced to join raid guilds to see the content and in another fart say that most dont care about showing effort, and yet you don't want badz in your raid guild. *PROBLEM*
What you really want is for someone to lick your boots when they see you in your primo gear strutting around the mailbox and you want to hold the content captive which works out nicely since you have access to the content. If you had a situation come up in RL where you could not fulfill your guild duties you would be singing a different tune, but its all about you not anyone else.
And if you can't tell the difference between shoddy LFR gear and Normal/hard mode gear then you can't be helped with logic and reason.
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If you read my Thread on 'Why would you choose LFR over a Raid Guild" you will find that the majority (75%?)say they just don't have time. Raid guilds don't want people who don't have time, these people are not even on the menu.
30%? say they had issues with raid guild drama and don't ever want to be in a Raid Guild again. That one is on the Raid community, not LFR. You may want these people but they don't want you.
A few here or there stated it was the applications, to which I say I joined a casual guild that fit my schedule and expected an application but didn't have to do one, which was fine for me. So go find a guild that fits your requirements if this is your problem rather than trying to fit a guilds requirements. I am not applying to your guild, your guild is applying to my time and effort.
*yes the %'s dont add up, its because some people gave both answers, drama and time.
Its not about being lazy, the majority just dont have the time or want to be in a raid guild due to drama.
Last edited by DeadmanWalking; 2013-06-29 at 04:45 PM.
In tbc I remember joining one of the top guilds simply by talking with an officer through recruitment in tradechat. I was invited to the first raid night as trial in tempest keep however I really sucked horribly and after the raid night I was given the option to leave or stay as social member. But regarless the fact that I sucked the guild accepted trial members and gave them the option to prove themselves without any requirements except some heroic dungeon gear. This is what is missing these days.
Last edited by Of-the-horde; 2013-06-29 at 05:17 PM.
Lets kick down this BS escuse that people will join Raid guilds if you get rid of LFR.
Most people just do not have the time to raid. These people will not be welcome in a raid guild.
Some people don't want to deal with Raid Guild drama, these people do not want to be in your guild.
Some people don't want to fill out applications, which means that the won't be in your guild.
People like to say that LFR people are just looking for the easiest route to fat loot (its shitty versions of fat loot), you want these 'only do the bare minimum' guys in your raid guild?
The truth of the matter is you want the content to be exclusive so you are not going to be all inclusive with membership into your raid guild. The people in LFR will not be joining Raid Guilds if you remove LFR.
Now riddle me this, would you prefer to get rid of LFR entirely but only get 10 boss raid content every 12 months? If you get rid of LFR, which requires extremely little resources, then Blizz has to make more content for 90% of the player base and that means less resources spent on Raid content. To think that you will get fast quality raid content without an LFR is not funny math, its stupid math. Resources will be spent elsewhere to keep the 90% subscribed because 10% does not pay the bills to pay for more raid content.
If you like raiding you will just have to deal with LFR existing.
If you don't want to do an application then look for a guild that does not require them. I am in a guild that doesn't do applications. Mind you the trade off is that those who screen for higher quality players will progress further than those who o not. If your end goal is to clear all the content then you need a higher caliber guild. If your goal is to just have fun and down a couple of bosses then you don't need a higher caliber guild.
Don't apply to a guild, when looking for a guild look around for a guild that fits your play style. Ask when they raid, ask about requirements. Ask if they are casual or progressive. Ask their progression record. They should have to sell themselves to you before you apply to them.
Why do already established guild groups only accept high-ilvl people? Simply because either you will boost them ( to a certain degree ) or they will have a reliable peon who no longer needs gear that much but is willing to help the existing raiders get the gear. That's simply how it is, in the majority of the cases....