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---------- Post added 2013-06-28 at 02:58 PM ----------
I might even consider joining some 25 man guild on a dead server just to do this :P
For example, on our realm best progressed guild is 11/13H and it's 10man, we're coming second with 7/13H and we're 25m. The thing is, there's no competition between us and them, since we take entirely different approach on raiding. They do PTRs to clear all the content and raid about 4-6hrs/week more than we do. We don't bother with PTRs and just casually walk down the raiding path at the pace of 9hrs/week.
So, how does this work with Virtual Realms? >_>
---------- Post added 2013-06-28 at 10:10 AM ----------
Guilds could do that now anyway, they could shift to 10 if they wanted, and get the realm first. Doesn't seem like an issue to me.
Great, a FoT that my guilde gonna get next expansion !
Originally Posted by Kyubey
Anything that helps 25 man guilds to survive on low/middle pop realms is great.
This maybe nice for 25 mans, but the question is going to be how you're going to implement it. In my opinion, make it mutually exclusive(as has been suggested earlier) on the same realm per account. However, get 10's on 1 realm and 25's version would be a feat, so that should be possible to exist.
Main question for me is: which 25 man guild is going to get that realm first? RF Sha hc was achieved in 10 man after the then nr 1 guild on the server killed Lei Shen, I don't see that really changing with virtual realms, or we should be grouped with a realm like Draenor or TN.
there is a 25 man dread and us on our server. we killed lei shen 7 minutes before them. and ra-den 2 days before them.
There ilvl 537 our ilvl 531 we killed basically the same bosses at the same times as them the whole tier but by the end they had 6 ilvl on us almost a half of tier of gear? LIKE WTF BLIZZ. They could have easily went 10 man and got the kill just overpowering it. If you want to make it fair make it where we don't de 3/4 of our loot every week while they get ateast 3 good pieces per boss. we have 3 people in our raid still without a heroic trinket guarentee no 25 man doesn't have offspec heroic trinkets.
Easy fix for blizz though if you get 25 man realm first your account is flagged ineligible for the 10 man. and vice versa so a 10 man can't get server first then "merge" with the top 25 man for a week so they can bench there baddies and kill the boss.
---------- Post added 2013-06-28 at 05:07 PM ----------
I don't think that's gonna happen unless they're the only competitive guild on the server. I guess I could see it happening if they've got alts all geared as good as their mains but does that happen very often on every server? That would be a pretty scumbag thing to do so I imagine anybody doing that would get shunned by the server.
I felt similar about Ragnaros (handling the seedlings) or LK (defile, valks) and while there are other things that make 10M hard on it's own (it's not the gear difference - 10M enrage timer were always far more forgiving, proof me wrong if you can... but regulary the small roster/lack of alts to cheese. Or mechanics that hasn't been downscaled in sheer number and ie affecting 2/2 healer with cutter on Sinestra and you were going to have a bad time) only having the same amount of space for 2,5 times the people is impressive.
Last edited by klausistklaus; 2013-06-28 at 06:25 PM.
10man progression lower ilvl (at the RNG god's will with loot) lower gearchecks
25 progression higher ilvl (LOL get every piece of loot you want) higher gearchecks
25 man killing boss then going to 10 to take 10 man server first too=no gearcheck.... so why should they be allowed to get 2 server firsts for acomplishing nothing on the 2nd with there 25 man gear?
and DA was only a retard check on either difficulty. to be fair the DPS check was harder in 10 man than 25 man until gear and item upgrades made both dps checks LOL. just look at paragon's taking 4x the time method did for DA. lei shen was harder on 25 but difficulty of bosses is not my point. My point is that a 25 shouldn't be allowed to take away a 10 man's server first when there not a 10 man. It should be the same thing as if you transfered server's if you kill 25 man and get the realm first. your account should be put on a 2 month Cooldown before being able to take 10 man server first.
It's a beneficial change. Same or better.
Either, one guild is getting the achievement. Like now.
Or two guilds get it, which is better.