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Since we’re “already seeing benefits of Obamacare,” and the rest is so dangerous to the economy we’re delaying it, why do we need the rest?Originally Posted by Maleficus
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2013-07-03, 04:26 PM #121Banned
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2013-07-03, 04:40 PM #122Void Lord
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They're shoving obamacare down our throats!
Delays implementation to give employers more time to adjust and comply.
They're playing politics!
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No not really. The GOP can't repeal obamacare so trying does nothing. Originally Posted by ScottsdaleHokie
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2013-07-03, 04:41 PM #123Banned
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You notice the individual mandate is going nowhere. Originally Posted by Wells
Glad to see that Obama is setting precedent that the Executive branch can just suspend mandates written into laws passed by the legislature. Hopefully the next Republican president suspends both mandates, employer and individual, permanently!
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2013-07-03, 04:58 PM #124The Undying
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It does worse than nothing, it wastes time and money. Originally Posted by Wells
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2013-07-03, 05:08 PM #125The Insane
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Politicians are always acting in the interest of the public, and are incapable of doing anything self serving. Originally Posted by Wells
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2013-07-03, 05:10 PM #126Void Lord
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Yeah that's not what I said Originally Posted by Tinykong
Politicians are always acting in the interest of the public, and are incapable of doing anything self serving.
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2013-07-03, 05:11 PM #127Brewmaster
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This. That's what happens when you try to have your cake and eat it too. You leave your precious law open to have the crap "mandated" out of it.Hopefully the next Republican president suspends both mandates, employer and individual, permanently!
Problem is though, the GOP (minus the Tea Party) sort of wants this kind of power. Government never shrinks. Obama knows this, so once Obamacare starts getting its hooks into the system it will only grow and increase forever until it breaks the system completely. The only chance is to prevent as much of it from being implemented as possible until someone is elected who will mandate it into the dustbin of history where it belongs.
THEN hopefully a conservative congress will come along and repeal it completely. Ideally, they would use the same bogus tactics to UNDO Obamacare that the Democrats used to pass it in the first place.
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2013-07-03, 05:16 PM #128The Insane
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Right, because you suggesting that the implementation delay was done for compliance and adjustment reasons and your typical snide strawman of the anti-Obamacare crowd crying about "playing politics" didn't imply any of what I just said you did. Originally Posted by Wells
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2013-07-03, 05:18 PM #129Void Lord
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I'm glad we agree. Originally Posted by Tinykong
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2013-07-03, 05:21 PM #130The Insane
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Apparently your Obama protection module is sapping all the power available, leaving your sarcasm module insufficient power to function. Originally Posted by Wells
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2013-07-03, 05:36 PM #131Void Lord
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I'm not the subject of this thread. Originally Posted by Tinykong
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Honestly though I don't find public polling very relevant to the merits of any law.
Especially on a complex one wrapped up in so much misinformation.
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2013-07-03, 05:48 PM #132The Undying
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Yeah, I'm not really going to take any kind of polling seriously when there's so much misinformation out there. When there are people out there that genuinely believe things like Obama is responsible for the nation's budget by blaming a lot of fiscal fuck ups on him, I'm not really going to trust their opinions on a lot of other things. Originally Posted by Wells
I'd say there should be a compulsory civics class that everyone must pass before voting, but that would be violating a lot of voting rights amendments, and would potentially be violating the first amendment allowing Fox to wrongly teach people how government works... I mean err, freedom of the press.2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
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2013-07-03, 05:51 PM #133Scarab Lord
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I want to know whether or not he can simply mandate what will or won't be implemented.
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2013-07-03, 06:09 PM #134The Insane
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If Congress lets him, yes. Originally Posted by Erenax
If Congress doesn't let him (either by court or by legislation), no.
Checks and balances.
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2013-07-03, 06:24 PM #135Void Lord
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DHS has a lot of room to decide how to implement the law for obvious reasons. Originally Posted by Erenax
Idk if this falls under that authority but it wouldn't surprise me.
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2013-07-03, 07:16 PM #136The Insane
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So I can blame the Republican party for the President affirming the PATRIOT act, NDAA and PRISM? Originally Posted by Maleficus
I can blame the Republican party for my social security taxes being stupid high considering I'll never see any of it?
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2013-07-04, 02:48 AM #137Mechagnome
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Please see my previous comment several pages back on what social security was supposed to be for. Originally Posted by Laize
SS was never intended for, nor should it have been, a retirement plan. It was implemented prior to unions, where industrial accidents were common and it would pay for say dismemberment or death in the event of an accident. Years later, unions formed and started collecting dues. Those dues were supposed to go to people/families that suffered an injury that prevented them from working. Now both of those systems largely ignore that. SS goes to people that walk into an office and sign an X on a form. Union dues go to political campaigns. The programs that were built to protect the 90% were long abandoned and pillaged constantly for any other purpose
They were both very necessary programs that were well intentioned and necessary 100 years ago. But in the past 50 years have been raided and pillaged and so very bastardized by most parties (commentary: I'm not addressing all unions...but some of the biggest ones) that they have destroyed the very base they were built on.
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