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  1. #681
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    Ordos isn't Oon in terms of lore. It's nice to have a "legendary type" boss. Some things should be like this more often, I like it.

  2. #682
    Blizzard is doing this so the servers don't break like what happened back with Oondasta. People think this elusive boss is for "snowflake heroic raiders", I beg to differ. I looked at its abilities in wowdb and look at what we have here.

    Magma Crush - Inflicts 5,000,000 Fire damage, split evently amongst all players within 20 yards of the target.
    Burning Soul - Inflicts 50,000 Fire damage every 1 sec. for 10 sec. On expiration, the player explodes, inflicting 300,000 Fire damage to players within 8 yards and knocking them up.
    Pool of Fire - Creates a pool of fire that inflicts 50,000 Fire damage every 1 sec.
    Ancient Flame - Summons an orb that inflicts 50,000 Fire damage to the nearest player every 2 sec. and increases Fire damage taken by 5% for 10 sec.

    I guess the strategy is have everyone stack next to the boss, those who get the debuff separate and avoid fire. Typical difficulty of a simple normal boss. The worst can happen is if that are a lot of Mr. Derps ignoring everything, getting turned in bombs and causing massive damage to the raid. That's pretty much it and it isn't as bad as Oondasta. I'm predicting that after 2 months when most people are done doing this boss with their mains, Blizzard will consider removing the requirement.

    Not much of a big deal here people, move along.

  3. #683
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    One problem with this whole theory that can be seen very easily in sales. Wow was successful because it was a carrot on a stick. Lately they have given the carrot to players. And when you get the carrot.. nothing is left, and they leave.
    pls stop with this theory that wow was succes cause people seen those 1-2 people in raiding gear in orgrimar and thought that they aspire to be such player one day - wow was mega succesfull cause Warcraft 3 was mega succesfull game and turning it into mmorpg was brilliant move especially to the mmorpg of this scale and grpahics in that time when they had next to no real competition . they tried to bring back the carrot at the beginign of cata and stoped after 2 mln people left game - wonder if they try to do it again how mnay mln will convince them that its not 2005

    i dont mind special bosses for raiders etc etc - what i am against is making a special boss and anouncing it surprisingly fast after people complain how orange cloaks are dissapointing and not worth the time inwested cause everybody was expecting orange weapon. they didnt announce it months ago that legendary will give acces to more content - if people knew it people would run lfrs long time ago on alts and be done with certain part of this quest - peopel didnt do that cause nobody suspected even remotly that cloak can be some sort of attunement - and now some people feel cheated by the blizzard aproch to that not by the sole fact that u need cloak to do that boss on alt - espcially that if those abilities numbers are real then this boss will be a joke.
    Also peopel pls stop pretending ur blind - its a clear move towards alts - to make them do outdated lfrs if peopel want to do that boss on alts they have to farm - cause in 5.4 succesfull ToT pugs will be even more next non existent as 5.0 raids are atm .
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  4. #684
    i was under the impression that an MMORPG involves (among other things) long grinds and rewards. This is just that.. the average WoW player is too spoiled.

  5. #685
    Quote Originally Posted by Floopa View Post
    If you don't have time to do it, don't do it? What's so hard about that.
    that's exactly what i'm doing but this doesn't mean i have to be happy about this, it's so hard to understand? lol

  6. #686
    As someone who has switched mains twice this expansion to accommodate holes in my guild's raiding roster due to people quitting, everything about the legendary quest chain annoys me, and this is no exception.

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    Come on now, it's just one boss. One boss that isn't even part of progression (for those who care about that), drops loot equivalent to NORMAL SoO, and is harder than your average world boss (not by much, really, but still). Even then, despite all these facts, everyone who puts in the effort to finish the cloak will eventually be able to reach the boss sooner or later, since it can be completed in all difficulties. Yes, RNG is a complete bitch, but really, most activities in this game are surrounded by a certain degree of RNG. And to be fair, other than the Titan Runestones, the rest of the RNG (thus far) isn't THAT bad anymore, and it's getting further improved in 5.4 (sigils dropping from ToT, drop rates increased on both sigils and secrets, sigils can no longer drop beyond the 10 needed).

    I don't approve of attunements or artificial gatings, but consider for a moment that it's just one boss. One (well, two if you count Ra-Den). Out of everything else in this expansion. Put things into perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adramalech View Post
    I don't approve of attunements or artificial gatings, but consider for a moment that it's just one boss. One (well, two if you count Ra-Den). Out of everything else in this expansion. Put things into perspective.
    Including Ra-den with this is incorrect. I don't need to have been subbed for most of the expansion to see Ra-den.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

  9. #689
    Its a neat idea. Should be much closer to how old world bosses were, back in the days when you mostly did it with your own guild. That said, i hope they tune it for 10 or 25 people, not 40+. Thats the make it or break it deal here. Getting 25 players from my own guild with legendary cloak would be hard enough, considering the craptastic drop rate on titan rune stones but 40 ain't going to happen. Then we're forced to invite randoms that potentially won't be able to handle a higher difficulty world boss.

    Perhaps they should have gone with two world bosses. One PuGs can do and one with the attunement style legendary cloak gate.
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  10. #690
    Quote Originally Posted by voidspark View Post
    Keep in mind you can have a cloak doing nothing but LFR.
    Not entirely true. You still need to complete the solo scenarios, which ARE an actual roadblock for many non-raiders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korru View Post
    I guess the strategy is have everyone stack next to the boss, those who get the debuff separate and avoid fire. Typical difficulty of a simple normal boss. The worst can happen is if that are a lot of Mr. Derps ignoring everything, getting turned in bombs and causing massive damage to the raid. That's pretty much it and it isn't as bad as Oondasta
    I don't think it's going to be that simple. What I glean from the dungeon journal is constant stack/spread mechanics while dodging fire orbs in an ever-shrinking area with a 5min enrage timer.

  11. #691
    Quote Originally Posted by Balazaar View Post
    I think some of us are arguing about different things, and it's confusing the issue. So let's try this ...

    It's 5.0 again. You see the legendary questline. Why did you choose to do the quest?

    1. I did the quest to get the legendary. Totally fair.
    2. I did the quest because I like quests. Fine.
    3. I did the quest because it is there, or some other reason. Great.

    What you did NOT do was start the quest because it was required to kill a world boss. You didn't know about that. Would you have started the quest had you known? For some people the answer is yes. This is the issue I'm peeved about.

    I'm willing to put in the work if I want the reward. I don't feel I'm entitled to see a boss without it. What I AM entitled to is knowing, when the quest comes out, what the rewards will be.

    Blizzard changed the reward mid-stream for doing the quest. THAT is the issue to me. Not entitlement. Not the gating of content. All I want is to know when the quest comes out what the reward will be. Not told 9 months later.
    This post answers your issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaley View Post
    Your argument is so bad that I don't even want to reply. They are adding a Legendary world boss as a REWARD for the time spent. Something exclusive for those people who have been building their character since September.

    And technically, they didn't just randomly "add this boss after the legendary came out" because the Legendary Cloak isn't available. This world boss and the legendary come out in the same patch. You realize this, right?

    "I didn't do the Sha-Touched Gem questline because I didn't know there was going to be a Meta Gem! How dare they add this!"
    "I didn't do the Armament Socket because I didn't know there was going to be a Meta Gem involved!"
    "I didn't do the Meta Gem because I didn't know there was going to be a cloak involved!"
    "I didn't do the cloak because I didn't know there was going to be a LEGENDARY cloak involved!"
    "I didn't do the Sha-Touched Gem because I didn't know there was going to be a world boss 11 months later!"

    Get outta here.
    At the moment you learned about the legendary quest line you knew there were going to be rewards throughout the expansion. Common sense applied it would be pretty dull to make it a 1000 primary stats gem the next patch. So it would be something else, something new, something more powerful as gear becomes more and more powerful while progressing through the expansion (every expansion).

    So you have 4 options.

    1. Either you decide to do the legendary quest line. You do not know what will be next, good or bad (but common sense suggests it will become more strong every patch ie. you did not get Shadows Edge as best reward in the first week of your Shadowmourne quest line with Shadowmourne being a green weapon).
    2. You do not do the quest line. You willfully skip it. You do not know what will be next but whatever it is the consequence of your action is that you cannot obtain it. At least, not obtain it right away for there is option 3.
    3. Even if you bailed on it, Blizzard did not remove the quests. The reagents from previous patches actually drop more often allowing you to catch up.
    4. You go on some random forum about some holy crusade how you are not rewarded for not bringing any effort.

    You know what is akin to #4? Son why did you get a grade D? Well mom, I did not bother to study I felt entitled to an A. Effort Reward. Action. Consequence.

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedsista View Post
    i disagree. im pretty much a casual, but im still doing the legendary chain quest & have started collecting titan runestones.
    dont always think that being a casual is a bad thing & we dont do anything.
    If casual is logging in one hour a week to do a LFD, a scenario, and a quest or two then no the legendary quest line in this expansion is not casual friendly. If casual means logging in on that friday evening to clear LFR for the weekly chance of getting orange reagents (and maybe even a gear upgrade in the start) then yes the legendary quest line is very casual friendly. And even those who do not clear every week will ON AVERAGE still get their legendary item from that patch in about 1/4 of the time of the patch lifecycle.
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  12. #692
    Quote Originally Posted by Fearin View Post
    i was under the impression that an MMORPG involves (among other things) long grinds and rewards. This is just that.. the average WoW player is too spoiled.
    This is so wrong. As well as some poster's words that people should look at Ordos as bonus content unlocked by getting legendary.

    You keep forgetting, that it isn't personal "reward", you can't do anything with that content after done with grind unless there are other people who have done this grind as well. And as such - it is rather penalty than any reward at all. You don't go and solo this world boss, you need a lot of other people who made through this quite extensive grind.

    People keep substituting term "massive gating" by "personal reward". I hope those who defend this deeply obscene design for Ordos, will be especially enjoying themselves on Thursdays+, feel their specialness when there will be no other people with whom you could fight this boss.
    You know what is akin to #4? Son why did you get a grade D? Well mom, I did not bother to study I felt entitled to an A. Effort Reward. Action. Consequence.
    So, how can it be compared to video game? Won't you feel hopelessly alone without all those "entitled" people on thursdays+? Your reward will be loneliness sitting near your precious "deserved" world boss with noone else near you. Just so happens that you actually need other people to kill it. By despising "entitled" people, be sure that you will have someone left to play with you and kill such "deserved" bosses.

  13. #693
    omg Ra-Den is only for heroic raiders, the sky is falling!!!

  14. #694
    Oh look, it's the entitled players train again. Instead of complaining you can't access 1% of the content, being one world boss that might actually take some effort like Oondasta use to before you kids threw your temper tantrums and cried all night, you can try to actually get good and get into a decent raiding guild. I heard if you work for things, you get rewards. I know, strange concept ins't it? Instead of bitching until you get content handed to you without lifting a finger while you troll trade chat. Get good or go home? Find another game, I heard guild wars 2 is suited to your play styles, or Neverwinter. Go on, tell me how you pay the same monthly fee as us that do heroics. We pay that same fee, no more and no less. But we actually put the time and effort into getting through the content as it's current.

  15. #695
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    It's utterly fucking stupid and ass backwards. Seriously it's terrible design to lock other players out so SOME people can feel fucking special. I hope they lose a whole bunch of subs over this. Or better yet I hope theirs enough backlash they reverse this.

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    I hope people quit too, less terribles to deal with.

  16. #696
    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    Much better implementation, and should lead to more intresting mechanics. And another form of content for the people that have put in the effort to obain it.

    Also, before anyone says '' but my server is dead QQQQQQ'' Let me direct you to Virtual Realms, which is basicly server merges coming in 5.4, so it all comes down to how many people put in the effort for the questline.

    Im intrested in knowing if the boss is 40man ''required'' or can it be tackled with less people like Nalak? I assume hes gonna be a lot more dificult than him so, I doubt it. Pretty excited for it, had my cloak for a few weeks now :P
    No one is positive how this will work out. Iam still fairly certain you will remain on your server for most the period. I dont see you just flying out to Pandaria and it magically being CRZ all of a sudden.

    So in that case my argument still stands. My server is WAY to damn low pop for them to implement something like this. I dont know anyone who has the cloak and Iam still grinding my first runestone. It seems really pointless to make the cloak required, its like, "oh this guy really likes cloaks, and if you dont have this certain legendary cloak he wont let you fight him."

    Ya......thats just fucking stupid Blizzard. A simple ilevel requirement or attunement quest would have worked out just fine.

  17. #697
    Losing subs over this?

    Lol

    "I love this game but man I can't do this new World Boss guess I'll just play Maple Story instead!"

  18. #698
    Quote Originally Posted by trystero View Post
    Losing subs over this?

    Lol

    "I love this game but man I can't do this new World Boss guess I'll just play Maple Story instead!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luganix View Post
    Oh look, it's the entitled players train again. Instead of complaining you can't access 1% of the content, being one world boss that might actually take some effort like Oondasta use to before you kids threw your temper tantrums and cried all night, you can try to actually get good and get into a decent raiding guild. I heard if you work for things, you get rewards. I know, strange concept ins't it? Instead of bitching until you get content handed to you without lifting a finger while you troll trade chat. Get good or go home? Find another game, I heard guild wars 2 is suited to your play styles, or Neverwinter. Go on, tell me how you pay the same monthly fee as us that do heroics. We pay that same fee, no more and no less. But we actually put the time and effort into getting through the content as it's current.
    Dude.......shut the fuck up, you sound like one little pussy. I cant think of any other words to describe it, you sound immature and downright outlandish to try and sound big and macho, but your really a pussy.

    I can tell you right now you are just some internet warrior who wouldnt say shit to my face like that, seeing as iam 6'4 and 300lbs, so stop trying to look cool. You look like a goddamn fool!

    No one is saying they are entitled, its plain and stupid to try and force a gear restriction on one fight. For one piece of gear. And as for the raiding guild goes, other people have lives. We dont sit around all day playing WoW full time like you probably do, its not even fun enough of a game to if we did have full time raiding guilds. Being in a raiding guild doesnt make you cool, it makes you a nerd with no social life. So stop trying to make yourself sound badass.

    Its really sad to see people like you come here and be a total dick just for the sake of being a total dick. Dont you have something better to do? Or is your life that miserable?

  20. #700
    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    omg Ra-Den is only for heroic raiders, the sky is falling!!!
    If anything, the overall reaction to this is proof that when someone says "I don't mind if there's some content made for a small percentage of players", they're probably lying.

    This is 1 out of 5 new world bosses.
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