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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitterfly View Post
    We've all seen what happens when people can vote themselves power and money.
    I've never seen that actually. In fact I don't think it's ever happened in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uvwaex View Post
    The majority(all?) of "communist nations" have been party based dictatorships that used the ideology and tenants of socialism to win military support of the people, but in no way implementing any sort of effective growth economic system. Not disagreeing, just adding.
    That's why it's more apt to call them fascist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    Capitalism is not a type of governement, but an economical orientation...
    absolutely correct..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    I've never seen that actually. In fact I don't think it's ever happened in the world
    how about the presidential elections in the USA?
    The candidates spending most time fund raising, to rake in the cash to finance their campaigns. It does not matter whether there are a candidate or more, who would be the BEST choice.. It's all about who has the most money, and/or can put that insane amount of money to a better use.
    In short words. The US Presidency is basically bought. No matter how one tries to look at it. It's the money that decides the outcome. The policy behind comes second.
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  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    I've never seen that actually. In fact I don't think it's ever happened in the world.

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    That's why it's more apt to call them fascist
    Yes it has. o_o

    Why do you think Greece had to take on austerity measures? Hint: It wasn't because of the big-bad greedy corporatists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    absolutely correct..

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    how about the presidential elections in the USA?
    The candidates spending most time fund raising, to rake in the cash to finance their campaigns. It does not matter whether there are a candidate or more, who would be the BEST choice.. It's all about who has the most money, and/or can put that insane amount of money to a better use.
    In short words. The US Presidency is basically bought. No matter how one tries to look at it. It's the money that decides the outcome. The policy behind comes second.
    And good point. The Executive Branch's influence is so powerful now that the presidency is often brought about by the larger collection of special interests groups.

    They're essentially voting in whoever will give THEM the most influence and money in return.
    Last edited by Kitterfly; 2013-06-30 at 04:56 PM.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Thalian View Post
    And capitalism isn't?
    Corruption of communism is not the same thing as corruption of capitalism. In fact, what you would call corruption IN communism are some of the key ideals to strive for in capitalism; greed, get more than others, hold the poor down (more for you). Corruption of capitalism, to me, would actually be altruism...
    "How dare you think of all others before yourself"... "You sir make a terrible capitalist.

    So, no, personally in the US's capitalism I see little corruption. Big banks/corps run the show - keep themselves rich while taking every possible tax break to avoid paying their 'fair share'. Seems it's working as intended. Welfare seems the biggest corruption to capitalism in the US... giving money away! now that's crazy talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slime View Post
    Corruption of communism is not the same thing as corruption of capitalism. In fact, what you would call corruption IN communism are some of the key ideals to strive for in capitalism; greed, get more than others, hold the poor down (more for you). Corruption of capitalism, to me, would actually be altruism...
    "How dare you think of all others before yourself"... "You sir make a terrible capitalist.

    So, no, personally in the US's capitalism I see little corruption. Big banks/corps run the show - keep themselves rich while taking every possible tax break to avoid paying their 'fair share'. Seems it's working as intended. Welfare seems the biggest corruption to capitalism in the US... giving money away! now that's crazy talk.
    Interesting logic, actually hard to argue.
    And thanks for the laugh. The last sentence. priceless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitterfly View Post
    And good point. The Executive Branch's influence is so powerful now that the presidency is often brought about by the larger collection of special interests groups.

    They're essentially voting in whoever will give THEM the most influence and money in return.
    Yes.. Agreed..
    Just look at the last election... How many candidates have there been in the race? 7 or 8 or something.. Not sure. I know of 5 for a fact.
    Romney, Obama, Paul, the libertarian Johnson, and Roseanne Barr. And there were others..
    No one other than Romney and Obama had significant exposure. No one was able to campaign equally. Because Romney and Obama collected hundreds of millions of dollars to get all the exposure they wanted. Fuck, I don't even know on what policies Roseanne Barr ran. I didn't even know she was running until very late towards the end.
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  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    Interesting logic, actually hard to argue.
    And thanks for the laugh. The last sentence. priceless

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    Yes.. Agreed..
    Just look at the last election... How many candidates have there been in the race? 7 or 8 or something.. Not sure. I know of 5 for a fact.
    Romney, Obama, Paul, the libertarian Johnson, and Roseanne Barr. And there were others..
    No one other than Romney and Obama had significant exposure. No one was able to campaign equally. Because Romney and Obama collected hundreds of millions of dollars to get all the exposure they wanted. Fuck, I don't even know on what policies Roseanne Barr ran. I didn't even know she was running until very late towards the end.
    It wouldn't be so bad if they'd relegate the presidency back to its appropriate form. It's rapidly becoming a position more akin to an emperor with ever so slight checks from the other branches. Even though all three branches are equally powerful in their own significant ways. Hell, the congress could completely ruin Obamacare simply by choosing not to fund it. THAT IS THERE FOR A REASON! That is one of our checks.

    It's why I get so frustrated when guys and gals are like, "It's the will of the people! The President should enforce that will!", that's utter idiocy. We're a nation of many ideals and beliefs. We have a system of checks and balances for a reason. We have equal representation for a reason rather than popular demand. People are just so inherently selfish and narrow sighted that they can't see anything but their own bloated asses as they stumble forward in a full-on roll.

    We need to move away from this populist movement and shift back towards republican values. Otherwise you're going to see special interests get more and more prominent as power is consolidated. The consolidation of power is so incredibly dangerous but you'd be surprised how many support it.
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  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitterfly View Post
    Yes it has. o_o

    Why do you think Greece had to take on austerity measures? Hint: It wasn't because of the big-bad greedy corporatists.

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    And good point. The Executive Branch's influence is so powerful now that the presidency is often brought about by the larger collection of special interests groups.

    They're essentially voting in whoever will give THEM the most influence and money in return.
    haha. funny you mention it, because corporatists do exactly that.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    haha. funny you mention it, because corporatists do exactly that.
    Welcome to a free market with an intermingled governance. So question, is that really still a free market?

    Whoever has the ear of Washington has power. Do you think corporations are going to sit idle? No, just like any individual or group they also have their own interests and "needs" in mind. That's the danger of having such an open, manipulative, all-powerful seat of authority. That door is open for everyone, not just the citizenry. That's what people fail to understand and that's what ends up screwing them over--themselves, their greed, their own perception of "right" which is anything but.

    In other words, it was still the greed of the citizenry that opened Pandora's box to begin with rather than leaving well enough alone and relying on their own merits.

    Not sure what you were getting at here but I clearly didn't think otherwise.
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  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitterfly View Post
    Welcome to a free market with an intermingled governance. So question, is that really still a free market?

    Whoever has the ear of Washington has power. Do you think corporations are going to sit idle? No, just like any individual or group they also have their own interests and "needs" in mind. That's the danger of having such an open, manipulative, all-powerful seat of authority. That door is open for everyone, not just the citizenry. That's what people fail to understand and that's what ends up screwing them over--themselves, their greed, their own perception of "right" which is anything but.

    In other words, it was still the greed of the citizenry that opened Pandora's box to begin with rather than leaving well enough alone and relying on their own merits.

    Not sure what you were getting at here but I clearly didn't think otherwise.
    no, within the corporation itself.

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