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    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    Not really when you consider the OP is the same person who makes threads about how all orcs should die for being rapists and monsters. Pretty sure he just likes to watch people argue and see how many people he can get infracted when they call him out on his nonsense. I'm sure this thread will end with him making suicide threats again.
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    Because Alliance will cry that we have a strong Warchief that might take over them. Stupid Alliance.

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    cuz we want blood and Thrall back has leader =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apathy - View Post
    Yeah? Well he didn't treat his allies like shit like lower then shit even.
    I'm confused, being an Orc what has Garrosh done wrong that grants him death?

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    Because the alliance would end up eventually crushing the horde. Taran Zhu allowing the horde to remain in the vale is contingent on the success of the revolution. If they just give up and say actually we're sticking with this guy, you can effectively add another race that wants to see the horde dismantled.

    Plenty of other groups like, that from the various cenarion branches to more dangerous ones like Tirion and the argent crusade, as well as the kirin tor (already coming to kill garrosh), and the knights of the ebon blade. The longer you have a raving lunatic like garrosh at the helm, the more people you find lining up to take you down as you turn yourself into a cliched villain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trav126 View Post
    OP by your logic we should have just let Adolf Hitler take over the world.
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    Grom never really had to deal much with non-orc allies. Grom also never had to micromanage the complexities of a very fragile alliance of convenience either, with sub-factions questioning or disaproving of your decisions to go to war, as warchief.

    I don't think Garrosh 'deserves' to die either, he is pretty much the villain that Baine and Vol'jin have turned him into. Ever since Thrall appointed him as new warchief they've been boycotting and disobeying him, even in his own throne room declaring he wasn't their warchief anymore. What kind of reaction do you expect to get when you do something like that? In the most realistic scenario and if Garrosh truely had been unforgiving, he would've had Vol'jin slain right there and then, but he didn't. He let him walk away and let him do his thing down on his island at Orgrimmar's doorstep.

    And Thrall? He just disappeared after Cataclysm... while he should've returned to offer counceling and keeping the Horde stable.


    Garrosh' behaviour is what the Horde created and deserves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Grom never really had to deal much with non-orc allies. Grom also never had to micromanage the complexities of a very fragile alliance of convenience either, with sub-factions questioning or disaproving of your decisions to go to war, as warchief.

    I don't think Garrosh 'deserves' to die either, he is pretty much the villain that Baine and Vol'jin have turned him into. Ever since Thrall appointed him as new warchief they've been boycotting and disobeying him, even in his own throne room declaring he wasn't their warchief anymore. What kind of reaction do you expect to get when you do something like that? In the most realistic scenario and if Garrosh truely had been unforgiving, he would've had Vol'jin slain right there and then, but he didn't. He let him walk away and let him do his thing down on his island at Orgrimmar's doorstep.

    And Thrall? He just disappeared after Cataclysm... while he should've returned to offer counceling and keeping the Horde stable.


    Garrosh' behaviour is what the Horde created and deserves.
    Some of the other characters like Baine ****ed up but that doesn't mean Garrosh isn't responsible for his own actions. He wasn't 'turned into' a monster by his fellow horde leaders, he became one himself over time. Garrosh does deserve death, he's done too much to both factions to simply be forgiven.


    As for the whole grom/garrosh thing the only real similarities are that they're both aggressive and bloodthirsty, and both have the name hellscream. Their stories are very different.

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    I'm confused, being an Orc what has Garrosh done wrong that grants him death?
    He's not just an orc, he's the leader of the entire horde, which has 5 other races part of it now which he despises and makes death threats against every chance he gets.

    For a political analogy. Think of the US president, who happens to be black. What if he decided one day that only blacks mattered and he went all Hunger Games on us and made everyone else work in the colonies to provide food and entertainment for the black people he left in the capital all while making comments about how he wished the rest of us would all die because black are superior to everyone and anyone who disagrees is a trator who desrves to be gutted and hung from the gates?

    Yeah, I'd want that asshat to die, giving him a stern talking to would only get you an axe to the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanixAsc View Post
    Was he possessed by a Sha as well? There is always something new to learn!
    Neither is Garrosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T Man View Post
    I'm confused, being an Orc what has Garrosh done wrong that grants him death?
    He's no orc. He's a bastard with no honour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salandrin View Post
    Why not just pound the Sha out of him, lecture him, he becomes a better Orc, and resumes his seat as a more passive Warchief? There are already too many quests and events related around Garrosh as a Warchief, so I'm not sure how those would play out with him deceased.
    More terrible writing would ensue. People would stop following the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by False View Post
    Because Alliance will cry that we have a strong Warchief that might take over them. Stupid Alliance.
    Where did you get the idea Garrosh was strong or that any of his cowardly blindsiding attacks were successful? He failed at everything, even his Theramore destruction resulted in the Alliance up his ass more than they ever were. stop being delusional. He's a terrible warchief and your shitty horde is suffering way more for it while the Alliance is stronger than ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salandrin View Post
    Why not just pound the Sha out of him, lecture him, he becomes a better Orc, and resumes his seat as a more passive Warchief? There are already too many quests and events related around Garrosh as a Warchief, so I'm not sure how those would play out with him deceased.
    Because lecturing him has worked so well in the past.

    Garrosh has never been a leader. He was good at inciting war in Northrend, which is what he was sent to do. But he was never a diplomat, which a Warchief needs to be in these days. His 'Orcs reign supreme' attitude can be seem written all over him throughout Cataclysm content, and what people seem to forget is that the Sha only empower emotions. Not instill them.

    Garrosh's pride was always there. He always felt this way, the Sha of Pride is only bringing out the actions Garrosh wouldn't do if he weren't possessed. And that doesn't make him any better, he would still oppress the ever living hell out of every non-Orc race. Just not to the point of Genocide.

    Garrosh was never a good Warchief. Glad to see him go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Because lecturing him has worked so well in the past.

    Garrosh has never been a leader. He was good at inciting war in Northrend, which is what he was sent to do. But he was never a diplomat, which a Warchief needs to be in these days. His 'Orcs reign supreme' attitude can be seem written all over him throughout Cataclysm content, and what people seem to forget is that the Sha only empower emotions. Not instill them.

    Garrosh's pride was always there. He always felt this way, the Sha of Pride is only bringing out the actions Garrosh wouldn't do if he weren't possessed. And that doesn't make him any better, he would still oppress the ever living hell out of every non-Orc race. Just not to the point of Genocide.

    Garrosh was never a good Warchief. Glad to see him go.
    Garroshs' actions are not being influenced by the sha at all, this has been confirmed by the story people. Everything he does is 100% garrosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apathy - View Post
    Fuck that hes a disgrace to the Hellscream blood line is all I'm going to say.
    Your comments are getting more vulgar and much simpler than before.


    OT:
    The reason is obvious, he have done TOO MUCH to be alive, everyone want him to be dead because he was killing innocents, treated his allies like trash, using power of the Old God, he just crawled his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salandrin View Post
    Why not just pound the Sha out of him, lecture him, he becomes a better Orc, and resumes his seat as a more passive Warchief? There are already too many quests and events related around Garrosh as a Warchief, so I'm not sure how those would play out with him deceased.
    wc1+2 was about humans vs orcs.

    since wc3 its just the nations of azeroth against scourge and legion. In wow there are old gods and their armies, too. This is why he has to die. there is no room anymore for a war between orcs and humans. If its only about horde vs alliance garrosh would never die in a rebellion, besides he is strongest warchief of all time with that old god power and as a son of grom he was a strong orc to begin with. i am against this rebellion so i do not play anymore. ;>

    And i do not think Garrosh is bad enough to justify a rebellion, he finally acts like a true warchief to begin with. former warchiefs often tried to assassinate someone who made trouble - like voljin - still no rebellion of that current ridiculous scale, happened.
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    Excerpt from Shadows of the Horde book:

    So, I think, it be with Garrosh. Exalted because he was his father's son but hardly revered for himself or his actions, Garrosh was feared by many. He had learned that fear was an effective lash with which to keep subordinates in line. But not all of them cringed at the whip crack.

    Not me.

    Because Garrosh felt his position was due as much to his father's memory as it was to his own worthiness, he doubted his standing. If he could see himself as unworthy, clearly others could. I did, and I told him so. Doubt could be hidden, so anyone could be a potential enemy. The only way to eliminate them would be to conquer them. Yet all the conquests in the world would not silence that voice in his head that said "Yes, but you are not your father".

    But Garrosh gonna never know peace. That means no one else will.
    SO only death will end it all.
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    Garrosh, a character who masks his insecurities, his doubts and fears and self loathing, with a mask of pride, rage, anger and fear.

    Garrosh doesn't need to sha to infect him with negative emotions. Garrosh is already possessed with those negative emotions, being that which dirves him to his actions.

    BUT, his fans and others don't understand this. They've thought they understood the character because they liked his outward brovado, so they didn't want to accept he had such faults at his core.

    This is why when it comes to revealing all his negative qualities, his fans can't accept it, and even try to exclaim it as 'blizzard throwing this out of nowhere', where, like always, these are people that don't look hard enough at the characters themselves, only whats on the outside.

    In short, you were all wrong about garrosh, because you didn't look hard enough at what he was, instead, you just lead yourselves to believe what he could be.
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    Oh. Another troll's bait *cough* I mean "thread" of Salandrin. Good, very good.

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