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    Quote Originally Posted by wordup View Post
    Actually, if YOU re-read your post, you'd realise that your over-riding point in the post is exactly what I answered. You seem to think that paying for it means all the good, none of the bad. If you don't like dealing with other people, then sub to Playstation Plus. You'll get some awesome single player games and no-one will exclude you, unfortunately it seems you're all about the masochistic whining about being excluded and how everyone else is super mean despite you being Kungen 2.0
    Again, I'm not the one who came here to complain about LFR. You did. You complain about the game as it is, and then you tell ME to go play something else. Follow your own advice maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoBrando View Post
    Perfect example of an entitled kid. Just wants free epics, nothing else matters. Proves once again, why nobody did Naxx in WotlK, and that people wanted epics from Ilidan, not to "see the content" as they like to call it.
    Okay chuckles. Let's say this is true (and I don't think that it is). What do you care? You still have hard content all over the place. The game is busting out the ass with it. THey could mail us purple epics and what would it matter to you? You'd still have hard content available..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namelessone View Post
    Again, I'm not the one who came here to complain about LFR. You did. You complain about the game as it is, and then you tell ME to go play something else. Follow your own advice maybe?
    I feel you really need to re-read my points throughout the whole thread.

    I quite literally said LFR was a good idea from my FIRST POST IN THE ENTIRE THREAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namelessone View Post
    Good point. But you couldn't beat Ninja Gaiden because the game was designed by DEVELOPERS to be hard, not because other people who own Ninja Gaiden thought you don't deserve it.
    You do understand LFR was created by Blizzard, not by the players right?

    And that the first raids were tuned by Blizzard and set as 40 man by Blizzard, not by players right?

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    1.) I don't think things should just be handed to you, LFR style... Flex raiding will "hopefully" fix that by adding an element of personal responsibility in an otherwise casual environment. An "easy" setting rather than an "enjoy the ride" setting.

    2.) Define "lesser skilled". I'm not the worlds best DK but I've beaten normal modes and a couple of heroics.

    3.) Screw Ninja Gaiden - That game caused more broken controllers than... AAARGH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namelessone View Post
    You seem to miss the point. Players should not be able to limit each other's ability to play the game FOR ANY REASON. Even if you are the most unappealing, newbish, unenchanted, undergeared fail, no other player should be able to say "sorry mate, you aren't going to play this game you paid for".
    You see wordup? this is the unfortunate players brand new players get to interact with in the game. Where anyone who promotes challenging gameplay is a threat.

    The only person limiting you Nameless is yourself. Change your attitude and maybe you would be more appealing to play with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon138 View Post
    Wrong. Being able to get on for 4-5 hours a week could still be considered casual. When I raided I was never 'hardcore'. I got on on raid times, stuck with the group for as far as we could get, and logged off. It's that simple.

    YOU don't have the time for the game. Don't expect the game to make time for you. It's just the kind of game WoW is(was).
    LULS - so one definition of hardcore is being able to clear all content in a single night, every week. Another definition is to have all the time in the world to the game. Which am I then?

    I'm currently unemployed, and play upwards of 12 hours a day. I have 11 90s, all geared enough to ToT LFR, and am basically at the mercy of either my guild, who can barely beat jin'rokh one night a week, or trying to pug on a dying server. I'm casual, because I haven't cleared Horridon. I'm hardcore because I devote so much time?

    You people are retarded in your definitions. Make up your fucking mind - no wonder everyone's talking past each other - you've not set the parameters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normie View Post
    What masochist wants to climb that ladder?

    The people who raid these days are all about min-maxing, logs, theorycrafting, strats, endless reams of bullshit that most players are rightfully entirely uninterested in, because they are sane.

    Socializing? Carrying your friends? Fooling around? Meh. It's more about every week find the weak link, and replace him. See you later, baddie!

    Sounds like fun to me!
    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Pretty much sums up your understanding of raiding.
    The "ladder" is what's fun about it. It's a team-oriented activity, in an environment that at least initially began the same way. Getting together, strategizing, figuring things out, and downing the boss - (what you call min-maxing, logs, theory crafting, etc) - is what it was about, and the camaraderie that emerges from it. The tone of that post sounds like you have baggage, perhaps about some bad guild experiences....well guess what? We all did. We've all been in a group with jerks. Staying in a toxic environment isn't their fault, its yours.

    I had to change guilds almost 10 times before I found the right one for me. Then as my life changed, I had to change 2 more times, but I was persistent and I found the right group with the right mentality about raiding.

    I feel sorry for anyone - for whatever reason - that misses out on the fun of actual raiding and instead opts to spend their time silently zerging one boss after another with random strangers. It's just not a substitute. Maybe Flex Raid will bring something of it back, but until then I fear real raiding is circling the drain.

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    The OP doesn't even rank among skilled players. His guild is not even in the top tier progression. I don't think there's any room to say others are "lesser skilled"

    If Blizzard truly made content that only hardcore skilled people could complete, I don't think the likes of the OP would make it.

    It's always some mediocre player who thinks a little too high of himself, that posts these kinds of threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordup View Post
    I am truly, TRULY baffled as to why this thread exists.
    I have access to the exact same gear as you, my character is thoroughly pimped and performs amazingly well in logs and ranks; but that is completely irrelevant.

    My issue is, if you have to ask questions like this, then you really aren't raiding for the right reasons at all. In fact, you're raiding for straight up the wrong reasons, and I urge every person annoyed by this thread to point out that if you're raiding to lord it over other people, then why fucking bother? You should be raiding to have fun at any difficulty, not to rub it in people's faces like some child that has nothing better to do.

    I feel for the LFR players happily playing the game because some guy who jumped into serious raiding mid Cata (those shared achievements are fun yo, guess sunwell and LK hc 25 was just too hard) feels like he has to demean and insult them.

    Take it from me, I have raided hardcore since SSC. If YOU want to play LFR and have fun, enjoy it. Don't feel chastised or insulted because people seem to think you're "entitled", enjoy the game, because you clearly are, and above all, ignore assholes like OP who are desperate to play the big boy, because usually, they just aren't that special themselves.
    Just thought I'd bring this post to the fore to show you I actually never once said LFR is bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordup View Post
    I feel you really need to re-read my points throughout the whole thread.

    I quite literally said LFR was a good idea from my FIRST POST IN THE ENTIRE THREAD.
    I'm defending LFR, why the bloody hell are you arguing with me? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoBrando View Post
    Perfect example of an entitled kid. Just wants free epics, nothing else matters. Proves once again, why nobody did Naxx in WotlK, and that people wanted epics from Ilidan, not to "see the content" as they like to call it.
    Nobody did Naxx? You sure? 'Cause Naxx was alive well into t9 on Wyrmrest Accord for badge runs, RP gear runs, and alt runs. Hell, it was alive well into the Year of ICC for the same reasons because it was easy and farming Naxx25 in t9 took almost zero real effort.

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    *whew* I've finally read through all that, can't believe this thread is still going. I was thinking about it though, and I have to admit it got me thinking about entitlement o the other side of the coin.

    Why do (some) heroic raiders feel they are entitled to adulation and respect when they treat people in the way we can see throughout this post?

    Back in the day I raided in a guild that was solidly US top 20 for a few years, I don't remember us ever hating the people who were below us in progression at all. Myself and a lot of my guild mates went out of our way to help them. In TBC when other guilds got stuck on Vashj and Kael we sent our guildies on alts to help their raids out and teach them our strats. We bought them along to bear runs so they could see how it was done. We ran organised pugs of t5 and t6 content and literally carried people to the Hand of Ad'al title so they could get it before it was gone. We made our community a better place full of better players. In return for that we got the recognition and respect the heroic raiders who complain about LFR seem to so desperately want. We got a great active server and good guild name that helped recruiting a tonne too.

    A lot of what I see in this thread is people in heroic guilds who are in the spot where they could do a lot to help themselves get where they want to be refusing to do so, and instead expecting Blizzard to change everyone else's game so they can get what they want with no effort. That's not how it works, and you have a lot of nerve to call other people entitled if you think it should be.

    You want better players then help make players better. You want less problems with recruiting create a server environment where people want to come and play. Not everyone will be interested but some people will be. Find them and help them. Stop worrying about people who are NO threat to you. If you want respect then behave in a way that earns it. It's really that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    You see wordup? this is the unfortunate players brand new players get to interact with in the game. Where anyone who promotes challenging gameplay is a threat.

    The only person limiting you Nameless is yourself. Change your attitude and maybe you would be more appealing to play with.
    He's far too busy keeping his super defensive guard up to actually realize that it's easy to break the barrier and become a good player with even a tiny amount of effort and input.

    Really, a shame.
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  15. #1675
    I do not like LFR either, it's not content I want to be doing. So I choose to not do it. It's as simple as that, if you do not like lfr then do not do it.

    LFR is not the problem, the problem for a lot of raiding guilds is they got what they wanted. You got normals tuned in such a way that your lesser guilds got destroyed. If it's like a ladder, then the bottom rung is there, the top one is there and the middle one is gone. They are adding flex to try to address this but what I am confused by is why we need flex. Just tune normal down, it's suppose to be normal. They have gotten way out of wack with the tuning this expansion, that's what is killing raiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namelessone View Post
    I'm defending LFR, why the bloody hell are you arguing with me? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?!
    Because you are attacking people who create pugs, and that is a good thing. You are aggressively attacking people who try to bridge LFR to guilds by creating pugs. That is just as foolish as attacking LFR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Okay chuckles. Let's say this is true (and I don't think that it is). What do you care? You still have hard content all over the place. The game is busting out the ass with it. THey could mail us purple epics and what would it matter to you? You'd still have hard content available..
    Again the dont care "argument". Why does he care about epics? Just let him do the content with no gear drops? And fyi 1% of the whole game being hard doesnt translate into "hard content all over the place".

    And again, it doesnt matter for me he gets epics, I never said they should remove them from LFR or anything. Just wanted to showcase how people only care about epics, and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    I play 4 hours a week currently. This cycle can go on for up to 4 months at a time. During raiding I play roughly 16-20 hours a week IN AND OUTSIDE raids total. Yes I am very very casual.
    You are sporting a title that takes 150-200 hours minimum of live play time. You didn't get that playing 4 hours a week in your off time since MoP went live.

    Do you just not count the hours you are solving and fishing and doing dailies and finishing metas, because you're not "playing"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    You see wordup? this is the unfortunate players brand new players get to interact with in the game. Where anyone who promotes challenging gameplay is a threat.

    The only person limiting you Nameless is yourself. Change your attitude and maybe you would be more appealing to play with.
    I never had a problem finding guilds, you seem to make a mistake thinking that the only person who can ever notice that the system is bad is the one who was personally harmed by it. Empathy, man. You can have challenging play all you like, LFR does not forbid you from it. If it did, there wouldn't be guilds that clear Heroics today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zergal View Post
    I paid for the first Ninja Gaiden game when on Xbox when i was 12 and couldn't beat it (i fully admit i sucked at it). Think they would had gave me a refund?
    Did you buy the next one?
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