Why do lesser skilled players feel entitled to see content?

[Xires]

Why do they?

If you are a terrible player who has no chance to ever get into a raiding guild or pug normal modes, why do you expect to see raid content? Thats the reason LFR was implemented but WHY do terribads demand content just for them? LFR was made to see content, but why did Blizzard do so?

I just don't understand how hard can it be to read up on your class for 1 hour, ask a better player for tips and then improve yourself to get into raiding...


I think WoW is going down the toilet if something isn't done soon to stop catering to the majority. Dont get me wrong, im fine with catering to casuals, but not like this. Not this way with giving welfare "special" content just for them rather than incentive to improve your gaming skills.

I've been there, clueless. I learned, asked better players. I've been high rated in PvP and raided top PvE content but we ALL started on the bottom some time. Why cant those who run LFR do the same?

I have the Hand of A'dal Title and the 10 man ZA mount- I was a semi-HC raider from TBC into Cata. I simply just dont have the time nor the will to be in a raiding guild anymore. I dont want to schedule my life around this game anymore- basically every single person I raided with back in the day and made friends with are all gone...save for a few I have on FB. I've done my time in WoW raiding and wiped on Heroic bosses and bosses that were guild stoppers BEFORE blizzard went down the normal/heroic road. I still like this game and would like to play it and even log in and do a little LFR and kill a few bosses that day and maybe even log in a day or two after and kill some more. Now I still get to see content and get some gear out of it...gear that is INFERIOR to Normal and Heroic gear, and soon to Flex Raid gear.
The fact that you dont know me and I do basically just LFR doesnt mean I'm not "skilled" or dont know how to play my character- it means I've chosen to be a casual and enjoy REAL life- because remember...all of my achievements that I got from TBC,Wrath, and Cata....mean squat to other players in MoP. So just remember...all the hard "work" you put into heroic raids....will soon all be forgotten and in the end when the next x-pac drops...your left with obsolete gear...maybe a few less friends(because they dont want to commit another 2 years of there lives to the game), and difficult achievements that lose there flavor and standings.

[Noorri]

Look..... it was pretty damn simple. Either LFR was put in the game or Blizzard stopped making raids because it was a financial black hole.

Shut up and deal with it or quit the game.

[Rifter]

There is no hate. Topic is: Why doesn't people want to learn instead of wanting to learn? Would you receive welfare IRL or work a good job?

Worst analogy ever. You are comparing a game to work life.

I'll answer your question with a question - you're a heroic raider - why do you care if someone much less skilled than you gets to see a considerably dumbed down version of what you see and get much less powerful gear?

It's not always about skill - it's about time. Some people have an hour to play a week maybe less, they jump into LFR they see the content life is good - they are still paying what you're paying, why shouldn't they at least get to see what they're paying for.

These threads and this asinine thought process are getting old.

[Xires]

The community is so dead. All these people nowadays with huge egos that cry about casuals, get over yourself. Back in the day when you killed a new boss in your 40 man raid your whole realm would congratulate you. You'd get support off your whole realm. You'd wish other guilds good luck on their progress kill and be happy if they managed it.

What the hell happened? I see people posting videos and progress in chat and other 'rival' guilds be like "LUL easy with that ilvl gear bro, LOL killed that last month hahahaha!".

Get the fuck over yourselves and just be proud that you did it before everyone else when it was much more difficult, got the shinies and wore the t-shirt.

Thank you.

[Deleted]

Why instead of removing LFR blizzard don't increase the difficult in normal and hc raids, now bad player have they chance to see the content, and so HARDCORE raiders will spent months on the same boss like back in vanilla and will feel special enough when they put down, game will be seen by everybody and finished by less of them and..of course no nerfs at all in normal and hc mode

[Yriel]

Does Lebron James deserve more money for playing basketball than you or I do? Why is it fair he makes so much money just because he's good at it.

Because he makes a boatload of money for his team and gets paid a lot of money in return for that.
How much money do you make for Blizzard due to your raiding skill ?

As a retort, I will ask you this: What does it matter and how does it affect you that someone like me is doing LFR? I'm not getting your gear, your achievements nor your mounts. What right do you have to say that someone like me should not be allowed to experience a bastardized version of raid content that awards gear miles below yours?

It's funny how no one every answers that.

[barackohmama]

Maybe because they pay for the game just like you. Now stop stressing yourself out, guy

In every other game paying is one thing. what you put into the game in terms of effort is another. Why should WoW be different, and if so what would make WoW a game? So if you pay for let's say Super Mario Bros, and you're a terrible player and can't get past the first level, you would want Nintendo to nerf the game just so you can experience all content?

[Nobleshield]

The real irony is that I'd be surprised if the OP was helpful to so-called "lesser skilled players" to you know, help them improve. Now I'm not talking about hand-holding, but you know provide advice or act as a mentor if asked. I'm more certain that he would be one of those people in LFR who constantly links meters and calls everyone else scrubs for "doing less DPS than I was at 85" or similar rubbish.

[Deleted]

It is because of eliteist no life having basement dwelling morons like you that i quit raiding and have nothing to do with guilds i would rather take my chances with LFR. I feel sorry that your life sucks so bad that the only thing that matters is what you do in a game.But here is a question for you what the fuck does it matter what others do or get or how they get it?????Does it affect your gameplay?? or is it you can no longer feel superior in a game to make up for your failed life?

You seem incredibly naive to me or just very very very unlucky with guilds or just suck at researching guilds. There are a lot more friendly raiding guilds out there than jackass guilds...but hey, if LFR is just as fun for you as normal raiding then good for you

I'd also like to point out that one post doesn't sum up someones entire life and that Blizzard catering to the "lesser skilled" (as OP put it) can at some times affect other players simply through the fact that less time can be devoted on certain aspects in favour of others e.g. LFR.

[Windfury]

Then you should know why so many hate school. You're in a group with ppl that doesnt want to know you, just like LFR.

You're aware the average age of wow players is over 30 right?

There's more women playing than there are teen boys too.

I'm pretty average for wow players. I am atypical of hardcore raiders though. Which is fine. I don't want to hardcore raid.

I don't want to be there, you don't want me there. So what's your problem here? Why do you think socialisation between these disparate groups of players should be forced?

[Jessicka]

Why instead of removing LFR blizzard don't increase the difficult in normal and hc raids, now bad player have they chance to see the content, and so HARDCORE raiders will spent months on the same boss like back in vanilla and will feel special enough when they put down, game will be seen by everybody and finished by less of them and..of course no nerfs at all in normal and hc mode

Not sure if sarcastic or not, because this is exactly what they did do. And so the slew of threads about how WoW is dying, raiding is dying and even this thread complaining about how LFR is stealing all the raiders.

Players, including the OP demanded exclusivity, they got it, and now they're complaining they have no one to experience that exclusive Heroic content with. Ironic, don't you think?

[barackohmama]

You're aware the average age of wow players is over 30 right?

There's more women playing than there are teen boys too.

I'm pretty average for wow players. I am atypical of hardcore raiders though. Which is fine. I don't want to hardcore raid.

I don't want to be there, you don't want me there. So what's your problem here? Why do you think socialisation between these disparate groups of players should be forced?

My problem is that blizzard is trying to change the game into a less social and numbed down game. Back in the days when you played video games you bought your game and that was it. You couldn't make the game creators change the game to suite your needs. Either you liked the game or you sold it and bought another one that would suite your playstyle better.

[Deleted]

As a retort, I will ask you this: What does it matter and how does it affect you that someone like me is doing LFR? I'm not getting your gear, your achievements nor your mounts. What right do you have to say that someone like me should not be allowed to experience a bastardized version of raid content that awards gear miles below yours?

I think he is stating more that LFR has added another section to the game that developers have to devote their time to, meaning less time to spend on normal and heroic raids. Although with how ToT has turned out, I haven't seen a drop in quality.

[Terahertz]

1: The "lesser skilled" players pay the same as you do.
2: There are a lot more "lesser skilled" players than elite players
3: Blizzard is a business
4: Keeping "lesser skilled" players happy makes a lot more money than keeping elite players happy
5: See point 3

1: This argument is overused and doesn't make sense. Sure, everyone pays the same amount of money, but they sure as hell don't pay the same amount of effort.
2: That's because blizzard is catering to the lesser skilled players more and more, which means players don't even HAVE to improve in order to play the game, and eventually when they do, they'll be bored aswell because the "journey" is gone.
3: A business that's starting to die, at least the WoW department.
4. See point 2, those "lesser skilled" players will get bored eventually aswell because there's NOTHING to do anymore besides running the same content every single damn week.

[Deleted]

If you are a terrible player who has no chance to ever get into a raiding guild or pug normal modes, why do you expect to see raid content?

Because they pay for the content?
In the end, WoW is a product that one buys and pays for to see it's content. Don't get me wrong, in my opinion a terrible player shouldn't be able to do heroic mode content at all, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't see the content at all.

Would be bad for the game overall if they couldn't see the content since over 70% of the playerbase is casual, whom will most likely stop playing if they don't see content at all, which means blizzard loses 70% of it's income, which means WoW will just stop to be.

1: This argument is overused and doesn't make sense. Sure, everyone pays the same amount of money, but they sure as hell don't pay the same amount of effort.

Let's not forget that World of Warcraft is a game, not a privilege.

[razorfire]

You seem incredibly naive to me or just very very very unlucky with guilds or just suck at researching guilds. There are a lot more friendly raiding guilds out there than jackass guilds...but hey, if LFR is just as fun for you as normal raiding then good for you

I'd also like to point out that one post doesn't sum up someones entire life and that Blizzard catering to the "lesser skilled" (as OP put it) does actually affect higher skilled player's gameplay through content provided, time spent on types of content etc.

in response to your first point I feel that alot of the "raiding guild groups are jerks" kind of mentality is due to the extremely vocal (and highly negative) voices, pretty much the same thing that plagues the PVP community. not everyone who does PVE or PVP is a jerk but it's difficult to think that when there IS a fairly high chance on trying to join either that you'll run into one of the people who is and has no problem proving it. sadly you can't put a muzzle on someone typing insults on the internet so it's not going to be easy to remove that unease or the unhelpful aspects of the community.

in response to your second point..as distracting from content goes an easier difficulty mode is fairly minor in comparison to some other things that could be done, really all it is is a matter of scaling and deactivating some of the bossfight abilities and in some cases they don't even do that so it winds up being damage and health being scaled down as well as item level and the color of the sets being different. the fact that blizzard has a group in their development team dedicated to instances and raids (they also have a quest team, and a PVP team, really most of their processes seem to have an associated team) means that after they've finished the raid if there isn't going to be one on the next patch anyway what else do they have to do?

[Xires]

Full. Of. Shit.



I know I'm not wrong, is the thing. The game will be over in less than 2 tears with you carebears steering the ship.

Bicker about how I'm not not making any points in this thread or w.e. I've seen this thread enough now to know that it's not worth it trying to explain it to such hard heads people.

With people like you incharge the game would of died long ago.
You clearly know NOTHING about business- and if you claim you do that you are a liar- but then again...I'm talking to a wall here....(you)

[Windfury]

The community is so dead. All these people nowadays with huge egos that cry about casuals, get over yourself. Back in the day when you killed a new boss in your 40 man raid your whole realm would congratulate you. You'd get support off your whole realm. You'd wish other guilds good luck on their progress kill and be happy if they managed it.

What the hell happened? I see people posting videos and progress in chat and other 'rival' guilds be like "LUL easy with that ilvl gear bro, LOL killed that last month hahahaha!".

Get the fuck over yourselves and just be proud that you did it before everyone else when it was much more difficult, got the shinies and wore the t-shirt.

I think a lot of the problem here is that a lot of the angry anti lfr crowd were the ones who looked up to all those people. They now want their turn and the game has changed.

It must shit them that people like me are the ones with Death's Demise and all the old mounts and titles and crap

[smiiiff]

Blizzard will make this game into anything as long as it's going to get more money for them. Things change, 'Back in the days' has passed and the current WoW is a lot better for 90% of the players. As long as blizzard can keep most of those that are happy now, thay will make a profit and keep doing it.

If that means making a few raiders unhappy, fine. But it's not the world first that complain, it's not the social normal raiders that complain, it's not the people who used to raid heroic and now either play LFR or normal that complain. It seems a very small group that complains about LFR. most of which aren't even playing WoW anymore and treaten not to come back every few weeks because of reason A of wellfare item B.

Even if 5% of the players were in this group, it would be stupid of blizzard to give them what they want. Or even listen to much to them.

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I think a lot of the problem here is that a lot of the angry anti lfr crowd were the ones who looked up to all those people. They now want their turn and the game has changed.

It must shit them that people like me are the ones with Death's Demise and all the old mounts and titles and crap

I must just agree a 100% with this post well said!

[Xires]

Multiple rank 1s. Hardly tried. /yawn

Is it Argus expac yet?

speaking of which I can farm H 13/13 ToT faster then an LFR group can clear 12/12 LFR. But I have a life so I prefer to heroic raid over LFR. Hilarious I know

considering you do LFR 1 wing at a time and have to wait in a 20-40 min que to get to the next part...I would hope you could clear 13/13 N or H before a LFR raider can clear 13/13 LFR.
You aren't special "guy". You copied your strats from REAL Heroic guilds...the guilds we watch to see who will get world 1st- the rest of you are just posers using someone elses strat and then think you deserve special treatment because you got 24 other people that watched videos and studied someone ELSES strat so that you could down the boss to. If YOUR guild looked at just 1 video then you lose your merit because all you did was steal someone elses idea that THEY took the time to learn....hope I didnt ruin your "special snowflake" status.