So with my new guild I've killed 11/12 normal this week, with no prior (relivent) experience since MSV. Didn't get to do Lei Shen because they were still working on him and I'd not been around to practice with them on Tuesday. And they finally got the kill, which is great - Heroic Jin'rokh etc on Wednesday.
Getting a decent guild can happen, if you're lucky. I'm very lucky. Doesn't matter that I pulled my weight and proved I was good enough despite my substandard gear (only got a single ring upgrade this lockout, but hey, trial member and all) - they really didn't have to take me with the 'CV' I was offering. It was all down to them liking the way I said everything and then being extremely charming on teamspeak, but even then I was lucky they didn't give me the 'sorry but no experience or gear' routine!
Though they also impressed me with one of the questions on their guild application - which would I rather fight, a horse sized duck or a dozen duck sized horses and why. Made me laugh, which is good.
The question is what kind of achievements do you have. A couple of world firsts and such can really help you find a current content guild, who is willing to help you get up to date, or if you researched it and you can say with confidence that you researched it, it can get you into pugs too.
So really...achievements can either act as a road block, or as a calling card.
Gear score is and always was retarded. Item level is retarded too. It should be a hidden number, the game should be able to gear check you for unlocking content, but the number shouldn't be publicly available.
Like the item level 510 requests for Hc Scenarios.
Then you go in and the other two over geared morons kill themselves on the first pull, considering corpse run zerging a valid strategy!
You can get experience by forming your own raid? Or even better, why don't you search for people who also don't have experience and they only want to try ToT? It's funny how you want to join in an experienced raid, who clears the whole content, while you don't know anything. Sounds like you're a free-loader. There are a lot of ways to get exp, you're just lazy.
Based on PuG experience, people want people who can carry the raid not people who can do the standard dps check. Ask a friend to pose as your main then log your alt.
Start your own pug, or get into a guild that is doing progression. shows guilds/pugs past exp if you have it. other than that i would wait until next expansion gear up with heroics then look for a guild when they're looking for people, or wait for flex raid for and little harder version of LFR..people will probably take you in as a flex raid pug.
1. make sure you sell yourself by knowing all the fights and knowing them well. (fatboss, icyveins)
2. be able to bring your own flask/food
I am more likely to bring a person who seems committed and prepared over a slightly higher IL
i used to use this excuse back when joining a pug on normal ds like on my hunter alt that just dinged like 370 or so ilvl lol. "hey 375 hunter here got full 12/12 achievments and destroyer's end on main LF invite"
then if they'd ask what toon my main was. i would just link someones toon that i knew had cleared normal already and possibly heroic. its understandable and usually worked. sometimes they would ask u to login to ur main though, but most pugs arent that smart and as long as you've seen the fights on vids and lfr you'll know somewhat of what to do. if u die to something unforseen just blame it on lag.. it is normal after all anyway.
echoing the advice above me. dont raidlead if u dont know the fights. when i was going for DTR in firelands i ended up running FL for 19 weeks.. mostly because my old guild was too stupid to do heroics.. but also because i liked running fls.. even when i was leading it time after time.. id always learn something new... but to start from 0 knowledge and try and fake it.. thats never a good idea.
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On the flip side of things, I've almost never dealt with a raider from LFR that was able to do their jobs in raids. The problem is, LFR has got a bad reputation, it's pretty much the fault of blizz here, if you let people afk the content and get gear, they won't have much credibility when they try to transition to real raiding. Your best bet is to try to link any important achievements and start applying to guilds, you can generally get in to pugs if you try hard, if nothing else, just tell them you did the fight once but it was a while ago lol.... it wouldn't hurt to watch a few youtube videos too.
I am so sick of hearing shit like this!! My main has 13/13 hc down and i have 3 alts on another server and i started at 0 kills on them.You have to what i did and that is start a pug by your self. I cba ppl that wanna come in my pugs and i have to carry them so they get their kills and then can join other pugs. Get your finger out and start your own pug simple as that. You have to read taccs like every1 else and then you can clear it all....
People require achievements/kills/experience to make sure that you have put in effort into your character or at least have a clue of what is going on. Pugs (and I mean true pugs, not guild-hosted runs) are not a good place for progression/learning. Pug leaders want to clear content as fast and as efficiently as possible. A 510 ilvl alt from a heroic guild is of much higher value to them than an LFR-only "raider" that has no experience but better gear and has nothing but his own words to back up his claim to be "good". The pug leader has no connection to you and most of the time will not want to teach you anything, since chances are he wont have to raid with you ever again.
And just as a side remark, OP has 0 kills in normal ToT?. On my server Jinrokh-only pugs were going since the release of 5.2, considering he is easily killable by people in a mix of normal/LFR 5.1 gear. If you were really working hard from release of ToT to get some normal mode experience you'd at least have some jinrokh kills and definitely more than (4!) total t14 normal bosses killed.
And to people suggesting to lie on guild apps/pugs: wowprogress and guildox both track alts, guild history and transfers so be careful with your words, they might bite you in the ass later on.
Yeah I see this issue too. I've managed to get up to 517 ilvl without ever having set foot into normal ToT, yet every PUG I try and get it's the same story, "Sorry, you don't have any kills."
I was an LFR hero, not by choice, but by necessity, first because I couldn't even do ToT normal, after that because noone wanted me in ToT normal.
Next patch, I'm going to organize flex raids from the beginning. I'll organize flex raids for SoO, I'll take anyone who shows that they put effort in their gear and who doesn't mind a wipe or 2, and I won't get stuck as the eternal LFR raider YET AGAIN.
Taking a break until the next REAL content appears.
DAMN YOU WOW TOKEN! (weird thing is: I didn't even buy a token. I bought for 6 months at once using cold hard cash, weirdly enough...
I still really dont understand why u dont find a regular spot in raid team which is progressing through normals instead u set your focus so strongly on getting into pugs ... -_- its summer many many guilds have raid attendance problems - its easier now to find a spot in raiding guild then it will be in autumn when people will return to game after summer holidays -_-
I'm in the same position as OP. You'd think it's easiere now that it's summer and I'm on one of the bigger server in eu(silvermoon), but no, you just get ignored as a dps.