It's the same bullshit that it ever was. The only difference is now folks have an alternative to having to grovel and hope for the best just to see content. Frankly I hope the 'we can't find recruits!' trend continues, until pugs and guilds change their stance on who they accept, and how much they're willing to teach.
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Now you have LFR on the other hand, which pretty much does the opposite IMO, basically making people worse raiders. You can afk on fights, never read the dungeon journal and still kill all the bosses, and have no idea about your rotation.... these people then end up going into normal mode raids and creating wipe fests.
Blizz pretty much gives the impression that if you do LFR, that you can then graduate to normal raiding, and that often just isn't the case, because it's much better to take an undergeared alt from someone that has prior knowledge on their main then someone that has a full set of LFR stuff but hasn't tried normal, or has only downed a few bosses.
The stipulation that you have some sort of right into pugs that want to complete in a timely manner is the issue. While I -personally- don't have an issue giving someone like the OP a try, if they can type a reply to me with some level of intelligence, and not "OMG Y U NO TAEK ME? I 12/12 LFR" then they'll get a shot.
But honestly, you're hounding on Blizzard because YOU THINK they OWE YOU the right to get into normals, pugs at that. No, you don't. The fact that pug ToTs can run is just a by-product that comes with heavily populated servers. There are no ToT pugs on my server, as it's fairly small.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I'm personally fairly forgiving, I would take you, OP. But the simple fact that you and others feel like you have this right to get into a group with strangers with nothing to show for it, is the problem. If you want experience, there are guilds you can apply to. If you can't make the raid times of any of them, then I'm sorry. Go form your own pug group as someone mentioned. Also, I would totally recruit you for my guild, if you weren't EU.~ :P
For example : Jinrokh - The only thing you need to know is that you drag the lightning out of the group before you get hit and don't cross the streams as a dps. As a tank you taunt to keep the stacks low. The rest you should have learned in LFR.
There's solid class guides on MMO-champ as well as ICY Veins. Askmrrobot.com does reforging. If you're posting here I'm sure you know about them so not being able to perform at a decent level isn't an excuse.
Why should a guild waste their personal gaming time teaching you when you can't take the time to learn the fights either? It's a two way street.
the only advice I can give is: make your own logs in LFR. Then just post them, when they ask for info and experience, point out the obvious stuff, like good dps/healing, not standing in shit and low-ish dmg taken to show them, that you can do the fights the proper way, not the "LFR aka ignore everything" way. Some pug leaders are gonna ignore you for sure, but some are more sensible than others, those who dont just see 515 and achiev and autoinvite you, but take the time to pick up their squad will be willing to give it a shot. Also previous raiding experience helps, if you have some t14 HCs, you should have easier time than most.
Show some forward thinking. Show some commitment and background research that you're not one of those people that just settle to LFR and call that as being completely done with the end-game, and that you're not just another player who wants to do normals and HC's, but got declined everytime due to the lack of exp as being the main reason. I'm talking about guilds here because a well-organized one is much better than having to rely on a pug, which is particularly the case for someone with no experience.
If I was in your position, I'd start focusing on an application towards a guild that is still progressing on ToT normal. You need to be realistic about things, as there's little chance you're going to get into a HC raiding guild right away, unless there's some exceptions such as you were a former raider in a top raiding guild, you quit after t14 HC etc. In these circumstances, you might be given some leeway if you've proved yourself in the past, but it's not guaranteed either.
So give the application a good first impression and don't be lazy about things such as showing off as much as you can about your knowledge of the class without sounding too conceited. If you've watched some videos and read-up on tacts, say that as well. Look at the app as being an opportunity to show people that you can do, and that you know your class well by giving some answers that the guild's raiders would nod to (at least I hope you can). If the application asks for logs, make some of your own - having a WoL account shows extra effort and is often better than a few screenshots of recount/skada.
So, the bottom line I'd say for you is to apply to look for a guild that are yet to clear ToT on normal mode, as you should have a better chance of getting into some non-hc raiding one for now, and that if you're willing to show what you can do, then there's still a chance you might get in. When exploring your guild choices, don't set the bar too high for yourself if you don't feel confident as you've still got to meet or exceed expectations of the guild.
Last edited by Drakoes; 2013-07-08 at 09:37 PM.
i have a lower ilvl then u and i dont have trouble finding pugs....i havent killed lei shen yet, but ive killed up to durumu
All in all, I don't care about prior expacs. Kills, ehh. Logs, proper optimization,and knowledge of class and fights are more what I look for.
I got some good points from here.
I do want to make 1 thing clear. making logs is not an option because for some reason the WoL client doesn't work on my machine. I need to figure out what causes this, but I don't know what.
Anyway, raiding guilds all start at midnight ~ 1am, ending at 4am~6am for their raid window. Because of that, I can't join a raiding guild.
But I main a disc priest, so I've got 6/12 exp from pugs, 523 ilvl. People love dem shields. However my Lock? No such luck.
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