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    Didn't we discuss that not at all in this thread?
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ou-Quick-Guide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuga View Post
    Breakpoints only really matter in situations where there are more available targets to dot than you can keep your bomb up on. Outside of padding on DA, I believe this happens on approximately 0 fights this tier.
    The point isn't as clear as u describe it. NT/LB brings FB and that brings FoF. Thats the cruel about the math. That and the snapshots.
    Snapshots work in every fight.
    Adds u have on: Horridon, Council, Tortos, Megaera Hero, (JiKun), Durumu, (Primordius), DA, Lei Shen
    Clearly it depends on your personal playstyle and your raids strategy but there are many multitarget fights. And as it seems SoO wont be lesser.
    Last edited by Tomathan; 2013-07-10 at 04:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuga View Post
    ...So is the +20% bomb damage worth it? If you want to look at huge cleavefests like council and DA, of course, NT is 50%+ of your total damage and buffing that by 20% is obviously worth dropping your fb/il damage (~20-25% of your total damage) by 20%...
    Its not a flat 20% to bomb versus a flat 20% to FB/IL - you are looking at total fight damage (50% versus 20-25%) while ignoring the fact that the IV is not up during the whole fight- and therefore the difference between glyph and no glyph - its that much smaller. IV uptime is what 10-11% at best (actually closer to 14% cause of AT extensions). So its not as simple and straight forward as you are portraying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomathan View Post
    Didn't we discuss that not at all in this thread?
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ou-Quick-Guide

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    The point isn't as clear as u describe it. NT/LB brings FB and that brings FoF. Thats the cruel about the math. That and the snapshots.
    Snapshots work in every fight.
    Adds u have on: Horridon, Council, Tortos, Megaera Hero, (JiKun), Durumu, (Primordius), DA, Lei Shen
    Clearly it depends on your personal playstyle and your raids strategy but there are many multitarget fights. And as it seems SoO wont be lesser.
    breakpoints never matter for frost.

    Why the hell are people caring about breakpoints for frost? Fire spec cares because mastery is stronger than haste generally, unless you are able to get the big damage boost from a breakpoint on Combustion. For a class that is always stacking haste, breakpoints are literally meaningless to shoot for or care about. It's nice to know what value they get, but haste isn't going to spike up / down and change your reforge priorities around them. I'm so confused as to why any frost mage would ever care about breakpoints. It makes absolutely zero sense. You just stack haste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost1129 View Post
    It makes absolutely zero sense. You just stack haste.
    That is so wrong. It has no big impact but it has something:
    Freeing GCDs and making better use of snapshooting.
    About the value of these 2 things there you can discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomathan View Post
    That is so wrong. It has no big impact but it has something:
    Freeing GCDs and making better use of snapshooting.
    About the value of these 2 things there you can discuss.
    Expand on your post, it's too brief and isn't conveying what you want it to.

    Are you saying not stacking haste gives you more GCDs to use? Yeah. That was mentioned before, and in the other IV thread. The amount of GCDs you gain is trivial (it's 2-3) and unless you're single-targeting and playing perfect and not moving when you get those GCDs you won't even see their use.

    And how is it wrong? Every frost mage is stacking haste (Once you get into N. ToT level gear). That's the standard.

    How does it change snapshotting? I feel like you guys are thinking in a vacuum where for some reason frost mages won't be having as much haste as possible. They stack haste anyways. You wouldn't change gearing to get an additional one because you're already going for max haste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost1129 View Post
    I'm so confused as to why any frost mage would ever care about breakpoints. It makes absolutely zero sense. You just stack haste.
    The statement belongs to this argument you write.
    Ofc no one will say u reforge for crit after u reach a breakpoint thats true.
    But for example u take every socketbonus u can get. But sometimes its better to gem one yellow +320 haste and ignore the socketbonus just to reach the next breakpoint.
    Thats all. You care about breakpoints because a new breakpoints give you some GCDs and make more use of snapshots. So to say dont think about breakpoints is false.
    How much u should think about it (and for this example: How many other socketstats u should waste to get a breakpoint) is on another card.

    Regard Snapshooting: As explained in the other thread: NT snapshoots. So small example:
    12683 Haste aka 17 Ticks NT
    12684 Haste aka 18 Ticks NT
    I dont look at the time.
    If u start the first one with a full stacked wushoolay u get (many dmg)*17 + 1*(less dmg) (the tick of the next NT)
    if u start the second one u get (many dmg)*18
    As said above: I dont say anything about the value or not. That was discussed very deep in the other thread.
    All i say is: Never think about breakpoints is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost1129 View Post
    breakpoints never matter for frost.

    Why the hell are people caring about breakpoints for frost? Fire spec cares because mastery is stronger than haste generally, unless you are able to get the big damage boost from a breakpoint on Combustion. For a class that is always stacking haste, breakpoints are literally meaningless to shoot for or care about. It's nice to know what value they get, but haste isn't going to spike up / down and change your reforge priorities around them. I'm so confused as to why any frost mage would ever care about breakpoints. It makes absolutely zero sense. You just stack haste.
    Holy hell this again?

    Breakpoints do matter for frost, if you don't snapshot then you are playing the spec wrong.

    You need to reword this to be:

    Breakpoints matter for frost, but you are stacking haste anyway, therefore you don't need to micromanage your haste levels unless you're deciding to break a crit socket bonus or a boot enchant.

    These discussions are getting really stupid and old.

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    There's great chance it will change for 5.4/6.0, depending on mastery change and if it make it for 5.4 or not.
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