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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Gliff View Post
    No. Survival is 100% harder now. Tanking has gone from complete faceroll-dont-stand-in-shit-and-live to now actually using the correct abilities and the correct time. It is still the easiest role in the game but nowhere near as faceroll as it was in the past.

    Threat is not a tanking mechanic anymore. It hasn't been one since BC so IDK why you are even using that as an example. If someone doesnt pull off me in the first GCD then they wont pull off me the rest of the fight. With the addition of plus threat when taunting, they are making threat between 2 tanks not hard anymore either. It is clear Blizz does not want threat to be a hard mechanic and that has been there stance since BC.

    Tanking is all about active mitigation now. If you dont know how to play your class in heroic raids, or even normal at low ilvls, then you stand almost no chance of being successful. A decent geared tank can go through a whole dungeon without even using their mitigation.
    ok threat is a bad example. And i cant speak for other classes but a prot pala has a rather brain dead active mitigation witch includes using a whopping one ability as a defensive rather than just a holy power dump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wokopoly View Post
    What is happening a lot in LFR is people calling out tanks for something they did not do. (I only tank) i'm not afraid to receive constructive criticism, but i draw the line at taking the fall for someone who is trying to cause trouble in LFR, if i mess up i own up and ask what i did wrong, and usually that ends up in me being called names rather then solving the problem. This happens in LFD too, and in pugs. It's always been around, but it's pushing away the good tanks and making the in competent people step up to fill the role of tank.
    And NOT helping new tanks AT ALL..Most common thing I hear is "then run with your guild and don't waste others time" which of course isn't possible since i'm only still in out of loyalty...

    Yet when the other tanks help show me the ropes and work with me things go GREAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vamonos View Post
    ok threat is a bad example. And i cant speak for other classes but a prot pala has a rather brain dead active mitigation witch includes using a whopping one ability as a defensive rather than just a holy power dump
    What is your experience as a tank? Heroic dungeons? LFR?

    The timing of using SoTR or Shield Block or Shield Barrier is what lets your survive things like 800k slams from Animus massives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    I have been leveling alts lately in the MoP level range and one thing is apparent to me. The quality of tanks is declining. Ive had 1 Dk tank who actually knew what death strike was, and used it. Ive had prot paladins not using shield of righteousness, ever. Warrior tanks not once using shield block and druid tanks who cant even hold aoe threat. Over all, the quality of the tanks as of late seems to be declining. It worries me since my guild recently had a tank leave because of a job and now we gotta get a new one. Im already picky as is with my OT, but lately, idk. Last tank we tried couldn't even manage a simple taunt the boss off the healers. Have others been experiencing this as well?
    I will often forgoe SOR in a five man setting, which I can easily solo in order to take more damage and build up my vengeance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    And NOT helping new tanks AT ALL..Most common thing I hear is "then run with your guild and don't waste others time" which of course isn't possible since i'm only still in out of loyalty...

    Yet when the other tanks help show me the ropes and work with me things go GREAT.
    Maybe you should rethink old loyalties if you wish to progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vamonos View Post
    ok threat is a bad example. And i cant speak for other classes but a prot pala has a rather brain dead active mitigation witch includes using a whopping one ability as a defensive rather than just a holy power dump
    yep pretty brain dead ensuring you keep sacred shield up at max vengeance levels, the debuff from hammer of the righteous applied to the boss, maintaining your holy power and stacks from blocking to a level where you can use word of glory after a really big hit, while not just spamming away on shield of the righteous so it is available when you need it for that big hit mechanic.





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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    I will often forgoe SOR in a five man setting, which I can easily solo in order to take more damage and build up my vengeance.

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    Maybe you should rethink old loyalties if you wish to progress.
    Also my server is basically dead....And TBH I kinda suck I have don research I have tried multiple gemming and reforge styles but I almost never get to actually learn my role.

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    Honestly, you can't go levelling and say tank quality is declining. Anyone who wants to tank seriously at this point of the expansion will be at 90, the only people you will see are dps queuing as tanks for speed or people who are learning to tank.

    Like going into a kindergarten and saying the quality of education is going down, people can't even read anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    Also my server is basically dead....And TBH I kinda suck I have don research I have tried multiple gemming and reforge styles but I almost never get to actually learn my role.
    We moved a portion of our guild to a dead server in order to bolster it's decline. Seems to be working too. From a combination of diseminating facts about the proper way to do things and the animosity we built up from guilds that had been accomplishing nothing till we got there the raiding is actually picking up a bit.

    Still, we do not hand out information freely to people who insist on remaining trapped in going nowhere guilds. Raiding comes with a price and that price is commitment. Some times that commitment requires you to make choices and moves that will better you as an individual.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkommo View Post
    As I said above, if you are now just noticing this, means you were one of the baddies in previous expansions.
    Can you say something more constructive than "herp derp U wur da baddiz" ? I play, and raided, since Vanilla in pretty decent guilds. But even if I was/am bad, still can't see how me being bad as anything to do with the level of other people ?

    Fact is that their was always bad player in wow, ok. But when I now see locks doing less damage than their pets, feral druid hero playing the one button mangle cycle (yeah, take "whole log" in recount and you'll only see white + mangle, not, a, single, other, button), mage using sheep in their cycle (know it sound joke, it isn't), shaman @90 poping lust right at the start of LFD to "make the group run faster" (WTF?!?!?), prot paladin playing as dps (new hype here, have got 5 last week. "I play how I want" is the usual answer. Only one said "I have no tank gear yet"). Healer not having a single clue at what their job is (watch LFR healing log, Hpal @12k HPS in full 502 gear).

    Never saw that many "baddies", I you call them, in every other expansion since vanilla (And while I played only a shaman in vanilla, I play at least 3 chars since BC doing a lot of PUGS 5man with them cause I still love 5man)

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    I always found tanking to be a lot of fun until you hit the endgame. At that point then it just well we only need x amount of tanks for this guild or this guild. But like previous posters said all previous experiences an nullified when you get to the end game as a tank.

    1-85 you mostly find people using heirlooms. If you end up in a group with a full heirloom tank or one heirloom dps it completely skews your your dungeon experience. And even if they don't have heirloom gear once you get to certain levels 68-70, 76-80, 83-85 people just buy greens from the next xpac up that are on par with tier gear of that xpac. I see it all the time I see hunters pulling 80k dps in stonecore normal at level 83. Druids that need to just cast renew and they can keep at tank at full health on a boss fight. DPS that blow up mobs quicker then they have time to even cast an ability.

    I guess what I'm saying is if you were new to this game and didn't know better why the hell would you even think you need to use ANY cooldown as a tank. Their is zero coaching from one player to another and zero explanation from the game. If you don't keep up with the changes or have an army of alts how can you blame anyone.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by facerollin View Post
    Absolutely, tanks are the whiniest bunch of unskilled players in this game on a pug level.
    Every wonder why? Maybe its because the good tanks are tired of carrying shitty dps..bad healers, epeening morons that demand on pulling everything in sight then bitching they died..and for what? a satchel with worthless crap in it? no thanks...I only tank for guild runs now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehrenpanzer View Post
    Every wonder why? Maybe its because the good tanks are tired of carrying shitty dps..bad healers, epeening morons that demand on pulling everything in sight then bitching they died..and for what? a satchel with worthless crap in it? no thanks...I only tank for guild runs now
    I love doing heroics on my main. I literally never stop pulling. If they cant keep up then they get locked out lol. I actually got kicked out of a temple of Jade Serpent run when I pull the whole library at once and the healer said I scared him. Then I was vote kicked. Fun times lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaPe View Post
    I fail to see how PvP gear is bad. This isn't (any previous expansion) where item budget was wasted on resilence. For a freshly dinged tank, pvp items are the best thing he can possibly use, except for fairly expensive crafts or world epics. They might not be optimal, but it's far superior to having someone tank in random quest greens.

    Also, "dps gear" and "tanking gear" are quite often the same, as dodge/parry aren't very popular tanking stats anymore.
    if theyre in full pvp gear, i refuse to heal their sorry arses around a RHC so they can get their VP's. someone else can do that, tyvm.

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