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    Quote Originally Posted by anyaka21 View Post
    again, its not if WoW goes f2p, it's when it goes f2p. Meaning not now, but when they do, I'm pretty sure it'll be profitable.
    And as I've stated in other posts, I'm prett sure they have 3-5 f2p models ready to go and will use the one they think will make the least people quit, while making them the most amount of profit.
    Quote Originally Posted by anyaka21 View Post
    again, it's not if WoW goes f2p, it's when t goes f2p.
    WoW will go F2P when the playerbase is too little to make good profit.
    Not to mention that IF it'll be a F2P P2W model, I'm sure the game won't last long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triumph View Post
    WoW will go F2P when the playerbase is too little to make good profit.
    Not to mention that IF it'll be a F2P P2W model, I'm sure the game won't last long.
    If they go with a model like that, My guess would be that they would sell lower tier or heroic gear so that people could get into the raiding game fairly easily and those 'xp' potions so that people coming back could level quickly to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    No. They're not even close to that point that they'd need to do something like that.
    This and this. Probably would go F2P if they dropped below >2 Million.

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    Ironically whenever someone brings up they are losing subscribers, they forget to mention, even though they've lost millions of subs the last few years, they still have about 8+ million subs, more or less. For exact numbers, i suspect the last Activision earnings call will have the details. For sure, I think Blizzard is moving in the F2P direction but its going to be gradual. More items on Bliz store that can't be gotten ingame as well as the PTR data mined exp buff point to it, but we aren't there yet. WoW is still insanely profitable, they aren't going to drops subs anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xucuroz View Post
    Ironically whenever someone brings up they are losing subscribers, they forget to mention, even though they've lost millions of subs the last few years, they still have about 8+ million subs, more or less. For exact numbers, i suspect the last Activision earnings call will have the details. For sure, I think Blizzard is moving in the F2P direction but its going to be gradual. More items on Bliz store that can't be gotten ingame as well as the PTR data mined exp buff point to it, but we aren't there yet. WoW is still insanely profitable, they aren't going to drops subs anytime soon.
    It's curious to me that anyone would think they ever will drop subs. Rift has a sub plan. So does EQ/EQII. So does SW:TOR and most of the rest of them. It simply gets folded into the plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triumph View Post
    I'm sorry, I do know the definition of 'business' quite well.
    Just take a look at the costs to keep the servers online, to pay the staff, and to pay a lot more.
    It'll be millions.

    It just seems highly unlikely that IF they go free to play, they'll still make a lot of profit.
    I wouldn't call WoW the regular MMO to be honest, it's quite different.
    And I think that Blizzard will make less money with a F2P with microtransactions system than with a steady 1 million subscribers.

    I have to agree that the 'within 2 months' statement wasn't quite accurate.
    I have always said the only company I think that could make the Perfect or Worse setup for P2p+F2p is blizzard. If they did it there won't be a middle ground.

    Also every single MMO that has gone f2p has made huge profit and the only one to shut down was City Of Heroes but that was not because of money problems it was backroom contracts where Cryptic still owned CoH even tho Paragon's name was on it or something to that effect.

    Blizzard is laying down the ground work and I personally feel that sometime from now to the start of the xpac after the next wow will have a f2p setup. Hell they could do a setup like Everquest has.

    Its no longer a If wow will go f2p its a When wow will go f2p and I wish people will stop trying to pull the "Wow has 8 million subs argument" the EU/US make up most of blizzards income and there is not 8 million EU/US players so while the number is 8 million they mite be looking at the sub problem as 3-4 million and getting lower.

    lets no forget blizzard has done stated that subs will be lower by the end of the year/xpac.
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    Should they from a customer standpoint? Yes. People seem to think that it always means pay to win, but that is really not true at all.

    Should they from a business standpoint? No. They are raking in money and have a ton of subscribers, so there is really no need to change yet.

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    OK, I've been convinced.
    I think that when they go F2P, they will still do well.

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    Didn't check any comments. I can just imagine the rage of posters flooding this thread.

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    I don't see that happening for years to be honest. Blizz has already said subscription works for them, there is no need for them to change things. Yes, F2P models can make more than a sub based game. But there aren't any other sub games that have as many players as WoW does. There are plenty of people that are willing to pay to play.

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    In a way WoW is actually Pay 2 Win, your subscription allows you to do more than the F2P account.

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    when it becomes f2p i'm quitting..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaber2 View Post
    In a way WoW is actually Pay 2 Win, your subscription allows you to do more than the F2P account.
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    I can see F2P being an option when they have 1M-2M subs left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toychristopher View Post
    They really should. It's time to do it.
    No it fucking isn't.

    It is likely to stay sub until it drops to 500k to 1mil sub, which, probably won't happen for a couple of years.

    Using your example, (you didn't specify but it is one of the sub game that went F2P) SWTOR wouldn't have gone F2P if they had a good sub base stayed in the first place, when the numbers fall below the threshold, they went with the F2P model, but WoW probably still have a few more years before it hit that threshold, unless they do soemthing really good next Expansion and bring the sub right back up, or, sustain it.

    You CAN however, contribute to turning WoW F2P though. They are likely to go F2P when sub hit 500k-1mil, since you don't even log in much and losing the will to pay for a sub, just unsub yourself, and help brining WoW closer to 500k-1mil.

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    To be honest, if wow was free to play they should still keep in paid server / race / faction / name changes then they'd still be making good money and the subscribers / new subscribers should get like a special new 3 seater mount or something like that. so they'd still make a good ammount of money on that.

    (Just my opinions on how the F2P wow should work then).

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    Quote Originally Posted by toychristopher View Post
    Many free to play games actually make more than when they had a subscription.
    None of them had 3.5 million sustained subscriptions when they decided to go free to play. WoW still has 7 million.

    Why is it time to do it?

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    f2p perhaps, but I have had this crazy thing in my mind where whole b-net library is included in the monthly fee, where you can play all the blizzard games "titan" + wow...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crista View Post
    f2p perhaps, but I have had this thing in my mind where whole b-net library is included in monthly fee, where you can play all the blizzard games "titan" + wow...
    Like SOE Station Pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crista View Post
    f2p perhaps, but I have had this razy thing in my mind where whole b-net library is included in the monthly fee, where you can play all the blizzard games "titan" + wow...
    Sounds like the game pass thing SOE had years and years ago as they added more sub games to their lineup. ~$15 for EQ, $15 for SW:G, $15 for ... what was it, a tank game? Or pay $16 for a couple of their sub games combined, or $18 for all their sub games combined. It's been a reeeeally long time since I even thought of that system so I might have the actual amounts mixed up. They might have restricted it to their older sub games, and still forced you to pay full sub price on their newer sub game (EQ2). Somethin', like you've said, though!

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    Like SOE Station Pass.
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