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  1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by subrosian View Post
    Hunters spent the actual progression portion of most of T14 as the least-desired, most underpowered class due to a complete lack of cleave.
    Yet there were only 3 aoe fights (out of 16) and even there hunters were viable (yes i play hunter). Plus i don't recall not seing hunters in CM's at start of MOP.

    With the rest of your post i agree.

  2. #542
    Quote Originally Posted by Bestrafer View Post
    Yet there were only 3 aoe fights (out of 16) and even there hunters were viable (yes i play hunter). Plus i don't recall not seing hunters in CM's at start of MOP.

    With the rest of your post i agree.
    You've got to be kidding, right? Being "viable" weeks after the top end has done the progress means nothing. The only fights in the entire tier that hunters were sort of good for, was:

    WOTE (1 min CD on spark soaking).
    Vizier (heavy movement).
    Blade Lord (Heavy movement).
    Lei Shi (Heavy movement).

    That's it. FOr every other fight, hunters were absolute shit? Protectors? NVM; pet not affected by the dmg% buff. Tsulong? All other casters did far more dmg as they didn't have to rely on focus upkeep to burst down adds. Sha? Multidotters/AOE dream. Hunters were used as ball-bitches because of how Deterrence could block the emerge and did decent AOE to the adds, but lots of classes did far better.

    I could go on, but not really in the mood. Suffice to say, Hunters, before the buff they got in 5.1 (look it up - 100% serpent sting dmg etc) were utter shit.

  3. #543
    it's ok guys.. hunters are always taken to challenge modes.. we are more than viable.

  4. #544
    Quote Originally Posted by subrosian View Post
    They've unbanned my account both times (waiting on the 24 hours to fall off on B.NET). The only change they made out of my list was to remove the focus cost of Dash. And yes, that change was because of me... it took two voicemails to Greg Street, a voicemail to Rob Pardo, several emails, two perma-bans and dozens of hours of emails and letter writing, but by god I got the focus cost removed from Dash (hold your applause, I was trying for actual fixes... I obviously failed).
    You think very highly of yourself.

    I made a post about how the PTR DoC change nerfed cleaving, AoE, multi-dotting, and made it useless during BitW range for ferals. Other people pointed it out too but it was clearly my post that was the sole reason the devs reverted the change. Clearly.

    How do you hunters stand by and let this hooligan post here? All he does is post hyperbole and nonsense with a little substance thrown in at times for good measure.

  5. #545
    Quote Originally Posted by Dysheki View Post
    How do you hunters stand by and let this hooligan post here? All he does is post hyperbole and nonsense with a little substance thrown in at times for good measure.
    I think most are just ignoring him. If he thinks he is the one and only savior of the Hunter class, so be it. It's not really hurting me in any way.
    Besides it's amusing to read from time to time.

  6. #546
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovan View Post
    I think most are just ignoring him.
    That's good to hear. Just wanted to double check.

  7. #547
    No changes latest ptr update.

    Blizzard logic: Buff warlocks (the most overpowered class all expansion), continue to provide 'buffs' which are a slap in the face to certain classes as you have removed/nerfed them greatly in other areas.

    I can't believe this is even happening lol, obviously i play a hunter and we have just been shat on. Now our rotation includes a lot more cobra shots because we are focus starved due to them starting off by buffing the arcane shot damage and doubling the focus cost, then removing the damage portion and leaving the high focus cost. Readiness gone due to pvpers crying, slight buffs to our signature shots that are nowhere near enough to bring us to a competitive amount. The only 'good' buffs are stampede back to 100% damage (which we had prior, plus the pets abilities) and the amoc 40% buff (which is worse then live anyway because we cant double up at the start with readiness. I seriously hope they do a PROPER buff before this goes live and not a mid tier (after we have already cleared content) +5% aspect buff again.

  8. #548
    Don't worry guys we'll get buffed once the progression race is over and there's no point to the buffs with a promise to fix us in 6.0. I mean that's what they said when mop was announced and now look at us!

  9. #549
    Quote Originally Posted by Devboy View Post
    I Find this part a little confusing... Why does BM have two kill command tooltips.. one for BM, and one for MM and SV?

    Surely they are not thinking of making KC across the board for all specs..?
    I had to respond to this since I didn't believe you were serious at first....so I'll just fill you in on a little history dating back to Wrath of the Lich King Hunters.

    Back in Wrath Hunters would Macro Silencing Shot and Kill Command into their spells because they weren't on the global cool down and had little to no resource cost. It was basically free damage for just macro'ing the shot into your other spells.

    Then we got Focus, and Kill Command was on the Global....it took about 2 seconds to realize that MM/Survival Hunters will no longer be using this spell in a PVE environment because A) it has a high focus cost and B) it does crap damage for them.

    Kill Command has its uses in PVP for the more hunter reliant specs, but thats why there are two tooltips. It would be just a tad bit unfair in PVP if a Survival or MM hunter could bust out a KC from a pet that hits just as hard as say Chimera Shot, AiS or ES....Plus that would make Hunters even more OP in PVP...and we'd be nerfed more in PvE #MoPHunterLife

  10. #550
    Kill command will stay BM exclusive. That is just a side effect of the datamining as every spec used to have it during cata.

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  11. #551
    I dont understand how AMoC got a 40% buff because it was affected by the loss of rediness and Lynx Rush gets no buff? Lynx Rush was already the weakest talent of the tier and now with the loss of rediness it also cant be reset, so why doesnt it get atleast a 30% buff too? On that note Exhilaration should have received a 40% buff due to the loss of rediness especially since it's the least used talent in that tier. If a single big heal is too strong add a 40% hot onto the ability. The inconsistency in blizzard's logic confuses the shit out of me! The "compensation" for rediness was not fully thought out IMO.

  12. #552
    Exhil is primarily used in PvP where, as a class, we are doing too well. Not giving exhil a 40% buff would actually be a PvP nerf, which, IMHO, is more then fine. PvE stays intact, PvP suffers blow.

    For instance, I'm not quite sure why Readiness had to go, instead snare/CC breaker on BW. If Readiness is such a problem, remove it in 6.0, but not deep in expansion and especially not in the same patch where we also gets "focus capping adjustments" (which alone is a huge thing).

  13. #553
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsoni View Post
    Exhil is primarily used in PvP where, as a class, we are doing too well. Not giving exhil a 40% buff would actually be a PvP nerf, which, IMHO, is more then fine. PvE stays intact, PvP suffers blow.
    Umm no one uses Exhilaration in rated PVP. AotIH is the goto talent just like PVE, since it's affected by Battle Fatigue. The only time it's taken is for random BGs/dueling/soloing (Brawler's).

  14. #554
    Quote Originally Posted by subrosian View Post
    The only change they made out of my list was to remove the focus cost of Dash. And yes, that change was because of me... it took two voicemails to Greg Street, a voicemail to Rob Pardo, several emails, two perma-bans and dozens of hours of emails and letter writing, but by god I got the focus cost removed from Dash (hold your applause, I was trying for actual fixes... I obviously failed).
    ROFL. You are conceited on such a level it is beyond ridiculous. Yes....the change was -all- thanks to YOU, what a ridiculous post, as are a lot of the posts from you on the D&R/etc forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayro1 View Post
    ROFL. You are conceited on such a level it is beyond ridiculous. Yes....the change was -all- thanks to YOU, what a ridiculous post, as are a lot of the posts from you on the D&R/etc forums.
    I wonder how people like GC and Pardo react to the incessant demands by a small vocal minority. Kids who throw violent tantrums get ignored or even punished by their parents, so how is this any different? I would hate for the class as a whole to be punished because Subrosian constantly harasses the lead devs.
    Last edited by kidsafe; 2013-08-18 at 02:07 AM.

  16. #556
    Quote Originally Posted by kidsafe View Post
    I wonder how people like GC and Pardo react to the incessant demands by a small vocal minority. Kids who throw violent tantrums get ignored or even punished by their parents, so how is this any different? I would hate for the class as a whole to be punished because Subrosian constantly harasses the lead devs.
    They react like most adults do when kids start whining about things non stop....

    they start ignoring them

  17. #557
    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjeff View Post
    I dont understand how AMoC got a 40% buff because it was affected by the loss of rediness and Lynx Rush gets no buff? Lynx Rush was already the weakest talent of the tier and now with the loss of rediness it also cant be reset, so why doesnt it get atleast a 30% buff too? On that note Exhilaration should have received a 40% buff due to the loss of rediness especially since it's the least used talent in that tier. If a single big heal is too strong add a 40% hot onto the ability. The inconsistency in blizzard's logic confuses the shit out of me! The "compensation" for rediness was not fully thought out IMO.
    Yeah I was wondering about LR and Exhil. I'm of the opinion though that Blizzard devs really don't give a fuck about the hunter community anyway.

  18. #558
    Quote Originally Posted by Namarus View Post
    Yeah I was wondering about LR and Exhil. I'm of the opinion though that Blizzard devs really don't give a fuck about the hunter community anyway.
    I'm also of the opinion that they despise hunters. Blizzard is a business and everyone knows that businesses that intentionally ignore and screw over a huge portion of their customers are always the most successful.


    FYI: Hunters are the #1 class in terms of max level population (both US and EU)..... I'm sure Blizzard just can't wait to upset them even more.

    /sarcasm

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    I really wonder why some people (Subrosian, Namarus, Kibu, etc...) even plan the game anymore??? They just seem to hate everything about hunters (and Blizzard itself) for the last couple of years. Go find something else to do that you enjoy if this game upsets you so much.
    Last edited by Rackfu; 2013-08-18 at 03:23 AM.

  19. #559
    I'd bet that they don't hate Hunters, or the game. I'd also say that they're more passionate about the Hunter class than most people. I know I'm disappointed and underwhelmed when I play my Hunter. I often think I should just roll a Mage and be done with it because historically, they've never been bad in PvE, and I don't ever see them being bad at any point in time for PvE.

    What I am, and I think others are too, is disappointed. I love playing my Hunter, despite the lack of depth and low skillcap, it's an extremely fun class to play. I just want more for it. I don't care about utility and I don't want a CD (I think offensive CDs except for lust really just need to be taken away from every class.) It would be nice if they took the time to just actually fix our scaling, make us truly viable in progression, and above all else fix our pets.

    It's hard to be positive and not sound rude when you see the attention and treatment other classes get and how little they give to Hunters.

  20. #560
    Quote Originally Posted by Rackfu View Post
    I really wonder why some people (Subrosian, Namarus, Kibu, etc...) even plan the game anymore??? They just seem to hate everything about hunters (and Blizzard itself) for the last couple of years. Go find something else to do that you enjoy if this game upsets you so much.
    I don't want to put words in their mouths (at least not to the obscene extent that you are), but I don't believe in the slightest that any of the players you mentioned hate the hunter class. They seem to enjoy it and are very passionate about it, which is why they hate what Blizzard is (or isn't) doing to it.

    Here we have a dps class that has scaled like shit and had balance issues for years, and the problem isn't even a very difficult one to solve, and the development team mostly ignores it, giving it attention occasionally only to put in a half-assed temporary fix that makes things even worse in the long run.

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