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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by TJ View Post
    Roughly doubling Kill Shot's damage would make it too strong for PvP, they'd have to separate the 2 formulas.
    Halve the CD, turn it into a bleed, anything. I hate this reset mechanic.

  2. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsoni View Post
    I'm not 100% sure, but even if they buffed KS to do 180% of what it does on live (and remove 2x charge), I think lock's Shadowburn would still do more damage then KS.
    You can't compare spells like that. Shadowburn has a hefty cost and in PvE has other uses than just damage on that target. As for PvP, we also have a pet attacking and auto-attack all the time as well. We can throw more instants right after the Kill Shot while a Warlock either needs to save up certain things or hard cast something if the Shadowburn doesn't kill the target.

    Not denying that Shadowburn isn't doing silly damage right now, though.

  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by gulder View Post
    Halve the CD, turn it into a bleed, anything. I hate this reset mechanic.
    What sucks in this mechanic is the travel time before the reset. But will be strange a shot with instant damage and no travel time, anyway they can come with a better solution for KS.

  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by Athanair View Post
    What sucks in this mechanic is the travel time before the reset. But will be strange a shot with instant damage and no travel time, anyway they can come with a better solution for KS.
    They know they can make Kill Shot better and more interesting to use, but they haven't yet. They could just make KS get 2 charges every 10 sec (max 2 charges) and the CD starts when the first charge is consumed. Same damage, slightly more frequent uses, a LOT more control over it.

  5. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by Evixy View Post
    They know they can make Kill Shot better and more interesting to use, but they haven't yet. They could just make KS get 2 charges every 10 sec (max 2 charges) and the CD starts when the first charge is consumed. Same damage, slightly more frequent uses, a LOT more control over it.

    or.... double dmg und kick dat "i gotta kill dem twice" cuz is a freakin KILL shot :I cd reset on resist/immun/dead/missed.
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  6. #366
    Kill Shot is lame, they need to make it hit like Execute and make a focus cost for it- 40 focus or so..

  7. #367
    Kill shot does same damage as glaive toss or KC - without focus cost.
    3 abilities does same damage - amazing design.

    On top of that, arcane shot is not far behind.

  8. #368
    I still feel something is off with our signature shots now that AS hits as hard as it does. Explosive Shot feels spammy with the set and not very powerful. Kill Command seems like it should be hitting for much more than AS, but it's only barely better. At one point a blue post said they were going to buff our signature shots before 5.4 went live, but we haven't seen any indications since.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beoren View Post
    Kill Shot is lame, they need to make it hit like Execute and make a focus cost for it- 40 focus or so..
    I don't think KS should ever cost focus, and definitely not a large amount like that. Having to save focus for that would be annoying, and it would also make it much harder to tab target kill shot lower HP mobs/adds because you'd likely end up with almost 0 focus in the end. They just need to give it one charge, make it hit for double in PVE, and the same as it currently does in PVP.
    Last edited by tyrindor; 2013-08-04 at 02:07 PM.

  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by tyrindor View Post
    I still feel something is off with our signature shots now that AS hits as hard as it does. Explosive Shot feels spammy with the set and not very powerful. Kill Command seems like it should be hitting for much more than AS, but it's only barely better. At one point a blue post said they were going to buff our signature shots before 5.4 went live, but we haven't seen any indications since.



    I don't think KS should ever cost focus, and definitely not a large amount like that. Having to save focus for that would be annoying, and it would also make it much harder to tab target kill shot lower HP mobs/adds because you'd likely end up with almost 0 focus in the end. They just need to give it one charge and make it hit harder in PVE than PVP, just like they did with crows.
    In all fairness, they haven't given us anything they promised for 5.4 yet. I'm actually getting a little concerned because we are definitely nearing the end of the PTR (maybe a month left at a generous estimate?). Within the next week we reallllly need to see a patch with just tons of buffs for us so we can get to testing and find out what works and what doesn't. It would be very sad if we went from mid-low DPS to rock bottom simply because they didn't give us time to get things properly balanced.

  10. #370
    The rioting seems to have calmed down on the US PTR forums but still no sign of any mechanic fixes or damage buffs worth mentioning and hunters are supposed to be way behind on the PTR boss testing. If we don't keep up the pressure on the PTR forum it looks like another tier of ignoring hunter problems and waiting until after progress is over to give us another pathetic buff to aspect of the hawk.

  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Pengalor View Post
    In all fairness, they haven't given us anything they promised for 5.4 yet. I'm actually getting a little concerned because we are definitely nearing the end of the PTR (maybe a month left at a generous estimate?). Within the next week we reallllly need to see a patch with just tons of buffs for us so we can get to testing and find out what works and what doesn't. It would be very sad if we went from mid-low DPS to rock bottom simply because they didn't give us time to get things properly balanced.
    Yeah, it is starting to become worrying. Their latest post about the state of our raid utility, and that we can bring all buffs to the table as well as MD and frost traps is something that wasn't very convincing and exciting.

    I've also been closely following GC, Holinka, Lore and even Ryg for the past several weeks, and there's definitely been a lot of talk about us for 5.4 everyday. As some people have already been aware, these are some of the changes that are yet to be implemented, but were discussed time and time again amongst:

    - Increasing the damage of our specs' signature abilities
    - More QoL improvements, less button clutter - merging window venom was something they considered
    - Spec differentiation - this is something they announced for the future major patch, but there's not even the slightest change that is coming in 5.4 to work towards that
    Last edited by Drakoes; 2013-08-04 at 03:23 PM.

  12. #372
    Let's hope they speed up, I'd hate to see another situtation where they release 5.4 and couple of weeks later, the patch note reads something like:

    "Aspect of the Hawk is buffed to 40% AP"

    "Steady/Cobra shot is buffed by another tiny %"

  13. #373
    they gotta remove serpentsting of the other 2 specs :I and give everyone an unique set of skills and... to make it dynamic... like all those other speccs .... give us stacks/combo points :I no one wants to play cd based shitz :I like enh shaman :I they also get something nice with t16 4pc guess wat.
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  14. #374
    I wouldn't be surprised if history repeats itself for like the (4th?) time. Sometimes I still wonder if the devs have been aware of our scaling issues this whole time, which is *far* from a MOP-exclusive issue...

  15. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by Drakoes View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if history repeats itself for like the (4th?) time. Sometimes I still wonder if the devs have been aware of our scaling issues this whole time, which is *far* from a MOP-exclusive issue...
    damn right :O how 'bout next expansion? - well... no mb... next? nope. oh damn but i already buy dat next expac :<
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  16. #376
    Quote Originally Posted by Pengalor View Post
    In all fairness, they haven't given us anything they promised for 5.4 yet. I'm actually getting a little concerned because we are definitely nearing the end of the PTR (maybe a month left at a generous estimate?). Within the next week we reallllly need to see a patch with just tons of buffs for us so we can get to testing and find out what works and what doesn't. It would be very sad if we went from mid-low DPS to rock bottom simply because they didn't give us time to get things properly balanced.
    You're living in a fairytale. We won't get "tons of buffs". They removed readiness as they said, and they buffed our shots as they said they would. They are also lowering other classes to bring us all in line as they said.

  17. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkets View Post
    damn right :O how 'bout next expansion? - well... no mb... next? nope. oh damn but i already buy dat next expac :<
    You sound like an Alliance player waiting for meaningful lore.

    Great I just depressed myself with my own analogy.

  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by Volant View Post
    You're living in a fairytale. We won't get "tons of buffs". They removed readiness as they said, and they buffed our shots as they said they would. They are also lowering other classes to bring us all in line as they said.
    What? Unless I missed something they have not buffed our shots to make up for Readiness yet, much less our already subpar damage. The only buffs I've seen have been a Black arrow buff, some arcane shot buffs (minor ones) and a 7% buff to steady/cobra shot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volant View Post
    You're living in a fairytale. We won't get "tons of buffs". They removed readiness as they said, and they buffed our shots as they said they would. They are also lowering other classes to bring us all in line as they said.
    They buffed stampede and of course they did the arcane shot damage and focus buff. They haven't buffed our shots as they said they would. We still need a buff to our signature shots, so that Arcane Shot doesn't hit for almost as much as they do.
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  20. #380
    Quote Originally Posted by Pengalor View Post
    What? Unless I missed something they have not buffed our shots to make up for Readiness yet, much less our already subpar damage. The only buffs I've seen have been a Black arrow buff, some arcane shot buffs (minor ones) and a 7% buff to steady/cobra shot...
    that 7% buff was a tooltip fix, so no buffs on cobra/steady shot.

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