I wonder how all these icicles will look like when present and when shot. My mind draws a pretty nice picture of 8 slightly differently tinted Ice Lances from slightly different angles with various delay times (3x due to IV glyph + 5 from stacked mastery). =) An interesting mechanic!
Also I don't see any reason for storing them in order to get 5 stacks, maybe for PVP burst... Otherwise you just cast FoF IL as soon as you normally would and gain additional damage from the icicles, whether there are 2 or 5 of them.
What's up with a nature elemental? Where's arcane?!Originally Posted by Polarthief
I'm thinking of a trinket procced shatter in PvP with 5 icicles and a Lance right after a Frostbolt. Perhaps trying to bring the pvp burst back up to par since they got rid of the mastery frozen dmg? 7 spells in one deep is a little scary.
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Imagine trying to manage the 5 stacks effectively with the large amount of Haste we have.
Has anyone tried Elemental Shaman? It's a 60% chance to get ONE STACK (up to 6 total since you always start at "1") of Lightning Shield from Lightning Bolt, and you cast Earth Shock at 6 or 7 (Can gain 2 from Mastery, and a VERY UNLIKELY 3 with Echo of the Elements). We get one stack EVERY TIME we use FFB, FB, or our Welly hits. Fulmination isn't really that bad at all, but this Icicle shit will be like that on crack, especially during Heroism/Time Warp and Meta procs (so all the fucking time).
Seems like Frost really won't be viable til 6.0, but this is, of course, a premature conclusion. PTR isn't done, but hopefully they use their noggins and realize this is a really shit QoL reduce.
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Also, while unimportant (as this is a personal/aesthetic thing), I really, REALLY hope the icicles will float near our heads/bodies and be flung FROM WHERE THEY ARE when they are "used" (e.g. Irelia style on League of Legends or pretty much from ANY action/ninja anime ever created). Would bring quite a bit of flair back to the Mage class as I envision it looking awesome. (I'm willing to bet it won't be nearly as cool as I am hoping)
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Another source of instant cast damage for frost? Just what they needed!@ /troll
Really though water ele bolt shouldn't be included. I can see some really awkward behavior going on where you stop casting on your ele during procs to stack your icicles higher if they scale based on the damage your fb/ffb did in pvp anyways.
Also might tip the scale on the icy veins glyph depending on how it all adds up going against their ideal of glyphs not being damage increases but who am I kidding that isn't even applied to mage glyphs as it is.
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I HIGHLY doubt the Mastery will scale that much. The base atm is 1.5% per Mastery (equating to 7% at 5 stacks, those stacks all varying based on what spells were cased)
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Remember when they removed Freeze from being used on bosses? Why are they adding more fucking functionality?
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About holding on 1 FoF, I think we'll have to do it anyway due to 2p set bonus which makes the next frost spell do 20% more dmg after casting BFFFB.
Which is counter-intuitive to saving globals for Icicles (unless it includes Icicles too); now we have to save it for a BF instead.
Really curious about how Icicle works and what it can/can't do (e.g., can it crit? Does it benefit from shatter? Why does Wellybolt proc it as well?)
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Mages already have enough PvP problems as it is with the Mastery nerf (PvP-wise). Making it dispellable would just break it completely.
The big issue though is we're going to have a lot more dead elementals because of this change. That's our Icicle damage in PvP.
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Once again, PvP makes balancing PvE impossible. :\ Might as well remove Shatter at this point as it's near pointless anyways; just make FoF and BF always crit.
We should be able to click on the icicles and surf on them. That'd be sweet.
Btw, will do some testing once this build goes live (well, live on the PTR >_>), whenever the hell that is. Will post the random stuff only weird people like me care about (e.g., functionality/weird shit, and MAYBE some numbers, but someone will probably beat me to the numbers part)
I think i still like the old Frostburn better - fun, easy to understand and thematically fitting.
This new version sounds a little bit like Frost Ignite.
At first i imagined something like a potent Icelance you had to charge up with Frostbolt - but it sounds more like carrying a turret around.
Timing a good Icicle with Frostbomb and a shattercombo might provide some fun, skill demanding gameplay. I think i would have like it better if the icicles could crit (and the charge up`s was static) so you could time them with freezes.
Looking foreward to test it though.
The Icicles have no GCD, but they are affected by haste. At 0 haste 5 stacks are "fired" in 5s but in 2,5s @ 50% haste. You don´t ever need to cast a non FoF IL, because 1 of the Icicles (the oldest) launches by itself if you have 5 stacks and you gain a sixth. They don´t crit (like ignite)