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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    like say, I think we can put it down now either being Thrall or vol'jin.

    Its just that, if it is vol'jin, will Thrall remain as leader of the orcs, and if thats the case, isn't that kind of reversal of roles? Thrall answering to vol'jin?

    No idea how things will turn out, though a role reversal could be interesting. Thrall's not so prideful he'd be 'above' taking orders from someone I think.

    And it's all speculation. I'm guessing it'll be Vol'jin just on the wording Wrathion uses, but he could just be purposefully vague. I'm also not counting Lor'themar out completely but think he's the least likely of the three to get it. I'd say I"m 65% on Vol'jin, 30% Thrall and 5% Lor'themar. But again all just me speculating. We'll find out when we get the cinematic.

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    CALLING IT NOW: Wrathion is actually the vessel Sargeras will use to enter Azeroth. That's why he's been collecting all those Titan artifacts, and talking about them all the time. Power, POWER, POWAH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    like say, I think we can put it down now either being Thrall or vol'jin.

    Its just that, if it is vol'jin, will Thrall remain as leader of the orcs, and if thats the case, isn't that kind of reversal of roles? Thrall answering to vol'jin?
    Thrall, an Orc, Answering to Vol'jin, a troll, would lead the Horde out of Garrosh's taint and to a new level of tolerance and prosperity I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Varian has a deep hatred for Orcs, and also a great disdain for Thrall from what I remember. So it's probably going to be Vol'jin...
    Not at all, Thrall and Varian have been sitting around the table alot back in the days, Thrall and Varian are not friends not that at all, but they are not hated to each other, they both know where they stand for and both respect that. Varian does hate Garrosh badly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    But he went about it in a very linear and tunnel visioned fashion, where he couldn't understand whatever threats to come, it would take both horde and alliance to do it. and he didn't seem to understand how the horde would never follow a human leader, meaning he doesn't understand the people of either faction at all.
    Hence him learning from this as he noted. Next go-round he's going to take Varian's Lawful Good mentality into account for his next attempt to unite the factions under one banner.

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    Wait, so is it Y'shaarj that's under Ny'alotha, and not N'zoth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    But he went about it in a very linear and tunnel visioned fashion, where he couldn't understand whatever threats to come, it would take both horde and alliance to do it. and he didn't seem to understand how the horde would never follow a human leader, meaning he doesn't understand the people of either faction at all.
    Wrathion seems to think that the Horde would eventually yield to a human king when forced to, but it would be a bloody process. Whether he's right about that or not is another matter.

  8. #108
    Yeah, I wasn't even expecting to get Thrall's sound files until the raid launch. Holding back Vol'jin's after EVERYONE ELSE has been put in pretty much guarantees that he's gonna tell us the biggest spoiler. Wrathion's was pretty spoilery, sort of. Nothing mind blowing.

    I'm not expecting the Warchief to be revealed until said final cinematic. Blizz is going to hold it out in front of us until the last second, and they've been pretty good about keeping us guessing. Thrall or Vol'jin at this point.

    Wait, has Baine had any sound files for the raid yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Varian has a deep hatred for Orcs, and also a great disdain for Thrall from what I remember. So it's probably going to be Vol'jin...
    Varian won't decide on who it is, that would cause more rage against the devs from horde players then they can handle. the choice will come from the horde itself, and Varian just gives a thumbs up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desareon View Post
    CALLING IT NOW: Wrathion is actually the vessel Sargeras will use to enter Azeroth. That's why he's been collecting all those Titan artifacts, and talking about them all the time. Power, POWER, POWAH!
    Yeah, and he wanted to prepare the mortal races so he would have a challenge... right?

    No. If anything those titan artifacts will be used to make a slave army or something against the legion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    Hence him learning from this as he noted. Next go-round he's going to take Varian's Lawful Good mentality into account for his next attempt to unite the factions under one banner.
    I doubt it, from that outcry, he just seems petty and unwilling to learn.

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    Wait, has Baine had any sound files for the raid yet?
    actually, no, not in the raid he hasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Varian won't decide on who it is, that would cause more rage against the devs from horde players then they can handle. the choice will come from the horde itself, and Varian just gives a thumbs up.
    I can't see Varian giving a thumbs up on Thrall though, so that's the problem. I quite clearly remember all the accusations from Varian against Thrall on how badly he leads the Horde and how he lets all sub-factions run rampant etc...
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    I already posted this but Varian doesn't choose the warchief he merely allows another warchief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesto View Post
    Yeah, and he wanted to prepare the mortal races so he would have a challenge... right?

    No. If anything those titan artifacts will be used to make a slave army or something against the legion.
    I know those artifacts he has will be used in some way badly for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesto View Post
    Yeah, and he wanted to prepare the mortal races so he would have a challenge... right?

    No. If anything those titan artifacts will be used to make a slave army or something against the legion.
    ooooh yeah... I forgot he had those...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    I doubt it, from that outcry, he just seems petty and unwilling to learn.
    Unwilling to learn would mean he'd simply try to get Varian to take over the Horde again. Taking Varian's actions into account for future plans and refusing to leave things to chance is the very essence of learning from his past failures (as he sees things).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarl Balgruuf View Post
    Wait, so is it Y'shaarj that's under Ny'alotha, and not N'zoth?
    Eh Not entirely sure, pretty sure Ny'alotha is like the ''capital'' of the old gods madness. So hes just mentioning, dont know if he was actually connected to it. Far as I know the only one in the ocean is Nzoth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    I can't see Varian giving a thumbs up on Thrall though, so that's the problem. I quite clearly remember all the accusations from Varian against Thrall on how badly he leads the Horde and how he lets all sub-factions run rampant etc...
    Varian was an angry bitch then, he's suppose to have matured.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Enosh View Post
    also awfully convenient how the troll rebels just so happen to completely fail to hold up their part of the attack plan leading to the alliance to take more casualties
    Yeah, the Darkspear clearly lost their battle on purpose and probably died just to sabotage the Alliance. Didja even think about what you typed before hitting enter?


    And to go back on topic, I wouldn't get mad at Wrathion for siding with the Alliance, or at Blizzard for 'ruining a character.' Wrathion blatantly states that he originally thought that Hellscream's Horde would be victorious until he turned half of the Horde against him, so he switched his allegiance to the Alliance so that he could be on the winning team. Wrathion just wants to be on whichever side is victorious.
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