So... Saurfang is a Pandaren? Judging from his voice.
So... Saurfang is a Pandaren? Judging from his voice.
But where is new sound files by Jason Hayes, the vanilla wow lead composer?!
They should execute Vol'jin for not securing the docks for the Alliance. Traitorous troll
5.4: 'Troll's couldn't hold Bladefist Bay'.
Not a problem for the Alliance as much a problem for us, the players, who technically achieved nothing and were 100% worthless for 5.3.
Yes, the Horde rebellion didn't manage to seize Bladefist Bay, but that doesn't mean the Alliance derived zero benefit from working with Vol'jin in 5.3. The basic idea was to ensure that Garrosh would be forced to fight a battle on two fronts, while the Alliance would only have to fight a battle on one. Looking at the broader picture, that's absolutely what is happening. For example there's a good chance that without the rebellion Garrosh would of been able to concentrate virtually his entire defense force on Bladefist Bay, which would of turned what was already a rough landing into an outright impossibility.
Now that isn't to say that 5.3 didn't have it's issues, just that this isn't one of them.
Roleplaying, hardcore Raiding, running LFR on the occasional weekend, PvPing, rolling alts, achievement hunting, pet battling, or just enacting an endless series of whims, I don't care how you play WoW. Just as long as you have fun doing it.
However, everything you said about 5.3, did not require help from the Alliance. Garrosh would have always been focused on the rebels. The Alliance never started the rebellion, they are just helping them. If it was some large Alliance force with it's own base and what not to distract Garrosh from the bay, than yes, I would agree with you.
But it's not. It's a troll base, led by a troll rebellion. We were sent there for two reasons 1) Cause dissent within the Horde 2) Secure a landing for the Alliance. 1 didn't even require our help. The Horde was already fighting with itself, we were simply making the flames slightly more wild. However, the second reason, to secure a landing, was never achieved. Which means the whole point of the Alliance in 5.3 was to help Vol'Jin with his part of the rebellion. That's it.
Though I can't complain, because all this means is that the trolls/rebellion really are helpless without the Alliance.
Well, Babo, think about this: if the Alliance helps out the rebels, it can keep the Darkspears and Tauren from being crushed before the Forsaken and blood elves can come reinforce their numbers. Judging by 5.4 voice files, most of the Huojin who weren't in Pandaria when the rebellion broke out have been imprisoned and the goblins would probably be in Razor Hill cooking up some siege weaponry rather than on the front lines.
This, in turn, keeps the Kor'kron from going after Alliance lives, which is the predominant reason Varian supports the adventurer's choice to strike up a coalition with the rebels (in essence, making the adventurer, the stand-in for us players, the de facto Alliance representative for the operation in the Barrens, which is the most political pull we've had yet). And by teaming up with the Darkspear Rebellion during the Siege itself, he saves even more Alliance lives by not putting them in the middle of a three-way melee during a siege in hostile territory.
As for saving the Darkspears, well, the dude's Lawful Good these days. Metzen even said during the press tour early last year that Varian would be going out of his way to be the better man and specifically order against civilian casualties and the like. For all intents and purposes, during the Siege the rebels are his allies, and all expansion long he's been busting his ass to win back the respect of his allies that his outbursts caused him--stands to reason he does the same here in the interest of giving the rebels a good reason to agree to a ceasefire once the dust settles, so both sides can go home and get their shit straightened back out.
He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it.
I dont understand, some of you guys are saying that varian is dieying and when he screamed "Jaina" did she die or wut, please explain i'm pretty curious.
Yeah, this is the problem, is the fastest, or in other words, the easiest way, that bring an apparent benefit in the short-term and a complete disaster in the long one.So what's the fastest way to unite people in one nation? Have one side win and rule the losers.
For how much time the "losers" will let themselves be ruled by the "winners"? How long can last that? More you suppress people and more that people will become hungry of freedom, and in due time will obtain a will and a determination that the fat and healthy "rulers" lost completely over the years.
Wrathion's vision say nothing about when the Legion will find Azeroth, he just saw that one day, eventually, they will find it. What would happen if this "successful" reign united under one banner will crumble and fall apart, dividing and messing the world a lot more than is it now, excatly or little before or after the coming of the Legion? Good luck in defending the world at that point.
Wrathion had just a vision, but doesn't have the wisdom. The cub is frigthened, hopeless, scaried and tried to achieve the easiest and short-sighted way for exploit the races of Azeroth in the best way he deems necessary for defend it.
Last edited by Zulkhan; 2013-07-11 at 06:53 PM.