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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post

    Yeah, this is the problem, is the fastest, or in other words, the easiest way, that bring an apparent benefit in the short-term and a complete disaster in the long one.

    For how much time the "losers" will let themselves be ruled by the "winners"? How long can last that? More you suppress people and more that people will become hungry of freedom, and in due time will obtain a will and a determination that the fat and healthy "rulers" lost completely over the years. Wrathion's vision say nothing about when the Legion will find Azeroth, he just saw that one day, eventually, they will find it. What would happen if this "successful" reign united under one banner will crumble and fall apart, dividing and messing the world a lot more than is it now, excatly or little before or after the coming of the Legion? Good luck in defending the world at that point.
    It depends entirely on how the citizens are treated, to build an empire you need strength and ruthlessness, but to keep it intact you need kindness and generosity.

    Imagine if the Mogu hadn't build their empire on cruelty, it would most likely still stand today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockob View Post
    so even if we fail the raid, the next expansion jaina and varian are alive?
    again, if the mechanic of the fight is you can save them, then yes, they do survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    It depends entirely on how the citizens are treated, to build an empire you need strength and ruthlessness, but to keep it intact you need kindness and generosity.

    Imagine if the Mogu hadn't build their empire on cruelty, it would most likely still stand today.
    This apply only on your own people, in which you have free choice in deciding to lead them with wisdom or strength (the difference between Thrall and Garrosh's rule).

    But, this is impossible to apply on people that is not your own, people that you forced to join you from the beginning. The Alliance will be forced to resort to strength and even ruthlessness if truly want to keep people that has been enemies for countless years united, because hate, distrust, fear and grudge doesn't magically dissapear from one day to another, and when internal conflicts will rise up, ofcourse the ones oppressed for put an end to them will be the ex-Horde members, not the Alliance ones for sure. And the same would be if the Horde forced the Alliance to join them.

    These two factions are too different and full of so much bad feelings between them for seriously hope to maintain such an unstable reign with kindness and generosity, also because, as always, the will of the leaders wouldn't be the will of all of their people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    again, if the mechanic of the fight is you can save them, then yes, they do survive.
    Yeah. Take Millhouse Manastorm for example. There's also an alliance archmage you can optionally kill in Dalaran during the purge horde side that shows up as an alliance quest giver in 5.2, so he clearly lived.

    These characters in the siege probably only 'die' if the encounter fails. Or the encounter fails if they die. Their deaths won't be canon.

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