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  1. #961
    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    I've got an idea... How about MMOC tells us how much revenue they get from us, for each user a specific number depending on that user's activity here on the site, on average in a month from all their ads, then gives us a bank account number, and we'll wire them that money and keep blocking those shitty ads.

    This way, MMOC gets the money they so desperately need, the actual advertising companies still get screwed as they've always been since nobody actually buys their products nor clicks their ads, and we don't need to install malware on our computers. Win-win-win.

    I mean, it's like pennies per user, right? I'll send them 100€, that should be enough for the next 1000 years of me being here, right?

    i guess they could make an option of ad-free mmoc for small fee, hard to say if it would be worth doing for them, most people would still prefer ads over ''subscription''. The danger of this however could be in potential premium services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naposim1337 View Post
    i guess they could make an option of ad-free mmoc for small fee, hard to say if it would be worth doing for them, most people would still prefer ads over ''subscription''. The danger of this however could be in potential premium services.
    Well, Curse does offer a "Premium", which costs like 5€/month, and you get all kinds of crap with it, none of which seems useful to me personally, but with it comes an "ad-free experience."

    However, now that I think of it a bit more, I don't think I'd pay a cent after all. I don't feel like being held hostage over advertising.

    "Pay us or we'll shove ads in your face!"

    Yeah, no thanks. Free browser addons work better.
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  3. #963
    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    What's funny is how many of you guys say this to try to be snarky, but the only thing you're revealing is that AdBlock changes your experience so minimally that you don't even realize it when it's gone.

    Fwoosh.
    can't argue, but time to time some adds really annoys me to insanity, this is when i remember

  4. #964
    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Well, Curse does offer a "Premium", which costs like 5€/month, and you get all kinds of crap with it, none of which seems useful to me personally, but with it comes an "ad-free experience."

    However, now that I think of it a bit more, I don't think I'd pay a cent after all. I don't feel like being held hostage over advertising.

    "Pay us or we'll shove ads in your face!"


    Yeah, no thanks. Free browser addons work better.
    i would not be so dramatic, the bottom ads i never see at all and two on the top are really small and dont draw too much attention. Curse premium is the bad example of this type of service in my opinion. most of the stuff you get is useless for many people like me or you and when you just want ad free experience you would not feel good for paying for something you dont need along with it. dunno how much they make of one person who visits mmo-c daily, say in one year but yearly payment of idk, 5-10 dollars could be appropriate. but hey i cant say because i dont care about commercials.
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  5. #965
    The reason why i don't watch TV in the first place is because off all those damn commercials, now they've opened the commercial world into the web. I will fight it with every possible way. IF adblocker stops i will move to the first best replacement.

  6. #966
    Quote Originally Posted by warlocx View Post
    The reason why i don't watch TV in the first place is because off all those damn commercials, now they've opened the commercial world into the web. I will fight it with every possible way. IF adblocker stops i will move to the first best replacement.
    It's why I don't watch TV either, but internet has always been commercial since the public could access it. 13 years ago when I started using the internet, the battle was mostly against adware that installed itself on your pc, popups and e-mail spam. I remember friends asking me to "fix" their pc, worst case I saw was a pc that booted with about 5 ad-windows that wouldn't go away, online or offline (back in the days when you weren't always online), highly taxing on the then limited resources pcs had. In those days, data was really expensive (remember the 100MB max e-mail storages?), so spam-mail was even more annoying. Mail services would advertise with how great their anti-spam was and anti-spam software was considered about as mandatory as anti-virus software for companies. Spamfilters weren't very effective or accurate though, resulting in me usually disabling them.

    It was then I started having multiple e-mails: one only friends knew, and one I'd give to websites. That mail quickly became filled with spam, because websites made a very lucrative business in selling e-mail addresses (and probably other personal informations). Bots existed back then to scan the net for email addresses, so if you had some sense you wouldn't write [email protected], but myname [[@]] hot mail . com or something in an attempt to circumvent that.

    No doubt these scanning and selling practices still exist, but I just wanted to point out that advertising is not new on the web.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    All of which means the money would be coming from your pocket, instead of being free for you.
    The ads don't make it "free for me", either. Advertisements work because they attract some of my attention, either getting me to click on them out of curiosity, or just by reinforcing the brand's image in my head. That attention is mine to give, or not, as I choose. If I run with ads activated, I am conceding a portion of my attention to the advertising as the cost of access.

    That's how the entire business model of advertising works. If it didn't work that way, "advertising" wouldn't exist.

    It isn't "free", any more than those retail membership cards are "free". They don't cost money, up front, because you are the product being sold. Sure, they divide that labor into hundreds of infinitessimal events and hope you don't notice, but that does not mean you have not contributed.

    There are costs other than cash up front, and I'm not willing to pay the price that adverts ask.

  8. #968
    Quote Originally Posted by purefury View Post
    ads aren't intrusive, on big sites you barely see them.
    i just hope people on youtube/twitch get ability to block ppl with adblock
    So an ad popping up over a video while you are watching it is not intrusive ?
    Yes it is.
    Stop with the anti-adblock crusade, and actually notice what people are saying.
    Many ads are intrusive, resource hogs, and simply getting in the way of the content they are supposed to be supporting.
    Make better behaved ads, and we won't need to block them.
    Of course you won't support that idea, since it won't give you you something to complain about.

    Fighting adblock is not the solution, but giving us less reason to use it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purefury View Post
    i just hope people on youtube/twitch get ability to block ppl with adblock
    Whatever.
    It's not like those sites would be indispensable. At least not for me.

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    Well maybe they shouldn't force you to stop what your doing so that you can look at their stupid ad. For example on Yahoo they have an ad that enlarges so it takes up the whole screen so you have look for the X to exit out of it. I don't mind if the ads are on the side and don't do anything but they cross the line when they force you to watch or look at an ad. We watch enough ads on TV I don't need them on the videos I watch, especially when they're only a minute long. You watch a 30 sec ad so you can watch a 1 minute long video. I never would've thought that someone would actually support ads. In that case maybe we should have more solicitors come to our houses everyday to advertise a product.

    Bottom line is ads are a pain in the ass. If you're going to have an ad, don't force people onto them, have them on the side where it doesn't disrupt what people are doing. That's why I use adblock.
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  11. #971
    Quote Originally Posted by Naposim1337 View Post
    i would not be so dramatic, the bottom ads i never see at all and two on the top are really small and dont draw too much attention.
    Out of curiosity I tried looking at MMO-C without ad-block. About 30% of the page was taken up by a massive ad at the top, one at the bottom, one of either side of the page and one in the center. All advertising the same Civ4 expansion. No thanks.
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    Maybe those people who make videos should go out and get a decent income support then if ads are missing from their twitch.tv.


    If they really trusted their fanbase and respected them, they'd have no ads and simply have a donate box.

  13. #973
    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Well, Curse does offer a "Premium", which costs like 5€/month, and you get all kinds of crap with it, none of which seems useful to me personally, but with it comes an "ad-free experience."

    However, now that I think of it a bit more, I don't think I'd pay a cent after all. I don't feel like being held hostage over advertising.

    "Pay us or we'll shove ads in your face!"

    Yeah, no thanks. Free browser addons work better.
    Last I checked curse was costing me £1.20 a month. If I'm so hard up I can't afford £15 a year which is the total cost, then I really need to find a better income lol.

    Yes they don't offer a great deal in the way of premium services but it also means I don't get that crappy ad thing that pops up when I open my client, the client itself auto-installs and updates my addons which is great because I've lost track over the years of how many times there's been a new patch, hot fix or expansion and then having to sit there manually updating them one by one when all I wanna do is get online.

    I'm not sure what most people have addon wise but I currently have 149 installed and manually updating them 2 at a time can be a pain in the royal neck :P
    Where as being able to wake up on a launch morning or patch day and finding my client has already auto updated what it can while authors are making more and more changes as they gain access to more content etc is just awesome.

    Personally I don't mind this small charge, if other sites took there example from this then I'm sure more people would sub up but when you start looking at it like someone else posted earlier - with a higher price comes inflation not only for you the customer but also for the site you're using because the more bandwidth that's used by their site, the more they have to buy themselves in turn to handle all the traffic.

    I've already stated I do use ABP with firefox so don't get me wrong I'm not condoning sites that use ads or the maliciousness of 99% of the ads out there because in truth more often then not those ads and pop ups usually are spam and do attack/try to install crap on your pc.

    Few things I got to point out though:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...f-mmo-champion

    http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/05/05/15...-mmo-champion/

    http://www.wowwiki.com/MMO_Champion

    http://www.wowwiki.com/Curse_%28site%29

    http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/07/20/cu...-mmo-champion/

    The point I want to make with these links is this, I already pay monthly to curse so when it comes to using their other sites I don't feel guilty about blocking anything that's gonna pop up, annoy me or try installing crap on my pc.

    But does this mean I should have to pay for each site so I don't see ads on them as well as the original subscription I have with the owners main site? No I shouldn't.

    When you look at the traffic on a daily basis that comes through mmo-champion alone, that small charge of £1.25 a month is nothing if it all worked as a single payment plan i.e - you pay the charge every month through the main provider site, in this case, curse.com and in turn you should get an ad free experience on all their other sites also but that's just my own opinion. I don't know what the over all costs in terms of how much their total bandwidth costs or what their employee salaries are so is possible this £1.25 a month would need to go up a fraction but so what, as long as it stays £5 or less a month for full coverage on all their sites, I'd still happily pay it.

    Last night there was 34,780 actively online. So just working on the basis of all those people subbed to the £1.25 or £5 a month plan it would be a fair chunk of change each month.

    £1.25 a month would of equal £43,475.

    £5 a month would equal £173,900.

    I use all the sites associated with curse on a regular basis and I've been a premium customer with curse since they started it back in 2009.

    The OP has already thrown his bottle out the pram because people weren't agreeing with him and he got feedback he didn't want (guessing he thought everyone would be YAY lets turn off adblockers) but he got people talking about this subject and the fact it's already 50 pages clearly shows you that people are really thinking about this.

    I can honestly say with no guilt that I couldn't care less if people like him and others who rely on ads to get an income fail because as others have said, if you provide decent content then people will donate or take up a subscription. Promoting ads and telling people to remove their adblockers is not the way to do this.

    If he'd come on here wording it differently, maybe pointing out due to adblockers he's having to ask that people think more about making donations to those who stream rather then berating the system at large, he would probably of got better feedback instead of being ripped a new one but trying to make a living from streaming alone is just dumb.

    Streaming should be something someone does because they enjoy what they're doing and want to show others what it is they do and why they find it fun in the first place.

    If you get donations from this great, if not, don't piss and moan about it and blame people for using an adblock so they can keep their pc/laptops w/e secured from malicious crap.
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    I only use adblock to combat malware and the like.

    The streamer you mentioned tends to illicit a response that will hurt you more than help you. He's a good guy, and he seems to have the streaming community at heart, he blows up other's streams all the time..to get them views, but he's starting to get some totalbiscuit like backlash.

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    If ads weren't as intrusive and malicious, I'd keep them on. As it is, I'm not responsible for other peoples incomes, so I have no moral dilemma here, since you can't really compare it to stealing either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciggy View Post
    The streamer you mentioned tends to illicit a response that will hurt you more than help you. He's a good guy, and he seems to have the streaming community at heart, he blows up other's streams all the time..to get them views, but he's starting to get some totalbiscuit like backlash.
    He won't ever get nowhere near as bad of a backlash as totalbiscuit just for the fact that he's respectful towards others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    He won't ever get nowhere near as bad of a backlash as totalbiscuit just for the fact that he's respectful towards others.
    I've always found TB to be arrogant beyond his mediocrity. He has a few good factual videos and interviews, but the majority of his appeal I guess is to a foreign audience that finds some sort of novelty in his "cynical brit" act. In truth he's neither particularly cynical, nor classically British (I don't think: 'jobless Geordie with a put on accent' when I think 'British') - he's simply merely "not funny". I wouldn't turn ad-block off for him, because I don't watch him enough to give a shit. I turn it off occasionally for independent artists, pro players (which I hardly ever watch anyway) or things like Vsauce, but people who record 20minute videos of games they're not even good enough at to be interesting? No way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    If ads weren't as intrusive and malicious, I'd keep them on. As it is, I'm not responsible for other peoples incomes, so I have no moral dilemma here, since you can't really compare it to stealing either.

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    He won't ever get nowhere near as bad of a backlash as totalbiscuit just for the fact that he's respectful towards others.

    what backlash? what happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauren View Post
    what backlash? what happened
    I think he just means the hate/spam he gets on twitter daily sort of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    What's funny is how many of you guys say this to try to be snarky, but the only thing you're revealing is that AdBlock changes your experience so minimally that you don't even realize it when it's gone.

    Fwoosh.
    Because the vast majority of ads are just jpg ones, only the video ones and pop ups piss people off. Also by the time you realize you don't have adblock installed its already too late and you have malware on your PC trying to sell you something every 5 minutes.

    Don't tell me to get an anti virus please, i wouldn't bother making this argument if i didn't have an anti virus. They aren't bullet proof, end of. I've gotten the dreaded microsoft security essentials trojan just from clicking the mage section on ElitistJerks to look up something for my alt. I had to reformat my entire PC because every 30 seconds a pop up would shove itself onto my screen offering me MSA for £30 or whatever.

    After 50 pages this thread in a nut shell is: JPGs are fine, pop ups, loud videos, massive full page banners and flashing gifs are no-no. I'm computer knowledge is very very little but in my uninformed mind i'm guessing you can't get malware or viruses from JPGs just by looking at them, you'd have to actually click them to do that. Even so, thats still bad, having an area on your front page where if you click it your computer will have a seizure isn't good

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    If they really trusted their fanbase and respected them, they'd have no ads and simply have a donate box.
    This is really stupid. Do you think everyone has money to donate?
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    OP if your best arguement is an example of a leech to society - that thinks he can play a game and milk money from idiots that watch him - then please continue to watch all of the ads you like. You know what I would tell him if his income went from 50k to 10k... get a real job like everyone else...

    Hey you got to ride this fantasy not-real work lifestyle for a while, congrats to you, but now time to get a real job - or charge (LOL) to watch your garbage.

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