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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    But can other healers DPS while their entire group is sitting on capped absorbs?
    Can other healers DPS anywhere near as consistently while maintaining hps?
    For the best times in the world you need a dpriest. If a group using any other healer gets world or even US/EU best I will eat my jeans.
    I seem to recall really early guides using Ele Shamans as healers haha.

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    The fact that the titles are temporary completely turns me off to even trying to get one. I'll just be just fine with the transmog gear.
    It's not temporary if nobody can ever beat your time.
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  2. #82
    I like the idea, sadly some classes are vastly superior to their counterparts in regards of challenge modes (ele shaman, blood dk, so many others).

    Oh well, not really into the effort it for a temporary title.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    You make it sound as if any old joe who knows how to 'cheese' the CM will get the top realm time. Forgive me if I'm wrong for jumping to a false conclusion.

    Just because you can 'cheese' the dungeon which in reality the only true cheesed CM is shadopan, doesn't mean you're going to get a good time. Sure, any old joe can cheese it, but can they also survive ginormous pulls?
    Scarlet halls for example, (most) half decent realms will have a run where they pull 23 mobs + the new Herod fella. You can cheese the archery target run with drums and potions and rocket boots, but you will get stomped if you try to copy the huge pull without proper class setup/co-ordination.
    Siege would be the hardest one to 'cheese' because its not exactly cheesing it, and it requires a strict class composition.

    Unless you're on a realm with low times (Wyrmrest Accord, Silvermoon etc..) then simply cheesing it won't cut it, you will still need to play exceptionally to get your competitive time.
    You miss my point entirely - I can't say if I'm surprised or not.

    If someone can cheese it at all - they're still getting the time not in the good spirit of competition and outplaying everyone else - effectively being the "best" and thus warranting holding the title.

    Therefore, those who cheese it at all are still doing something wrong - I don't care if you think it takes some measure of "greater skill" to survive the cheesing - the fact is that everyone getting golds is around the same skill level and there's inevitably going to be a small battle amongst so many groups to come to the most cutthroat and unsportsmanlike method possible to get the .01-.03 seconds they need to get the absolute best possible time.

    You make this assumption that everyone getting golds isn't roughly the same skill level - I play on a huge server and most of the top times are very, very close together; this leads me to believe that it's inevitable that the best time is going to be obtained via seeking out some ridiculous method to ensure an unbeatable time because WoW's playerbase is incredibly resourceful for the worst reasons most of the time (my thoughts immediately fly back to the reason the trash mob kill count was added - because the playerbase cheesed the entire concept in beta by blowing through the instance and using a mass resurrection to skip the entire place)

    So yeah - you jump to a false conclusion by assuming that "playing exceptionally" and "cheesing" are somehow mutually exclusive when they're not - the top time will be obtained via both in any instance where someone can possibly come up with a lame tactic.

    Edit - I'm also not saying I know with 100% certainty that there exists a very lame, semi-exploit/unintended method to do every one of these places - I just feel like given how the playerbase tends to cheat wherever it can (dating back to the old "Fall through the floor" move at Prophet Skeram to the false world first kill of Yogg 0) and I am somewhat certain there are methods people've yet to popularize solely to get a secure, nigh-unbeatable time for the titles and thus boot the competition out.

    I also didn't say this is absolute; I just said I feel like if it's possible, it's going to happen and Blizzard probably won't make a big move to get rid of it unless it's so outrageously blatant that there's no grey area to see (e.g. the aforementioned mass res technique used in beta)
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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacer View Post
    None of this applies to siege as no one so far has managed to do the entire instance with the 500% buff. Yes if you want a perfect time you need a disc priest but if you just want the fastest time in the world you dont need one.
    as we are talking about minmaxxing time for a CM, would not the perfect time also be the fastest?

  5. #85
    It'd actually be cool if they made like Challenge Mode seasons - scoreboard gets reset every 6 months or whatever. Would wipe off old times in the future, when class mechanic changes might have a big impact on what's possible in a CM. Especially after a new expansion.
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    I like the idea, sadly some classes are vastly superior to their counterparts in regards of challenge modes (ele shaman, blood dk, so many others).

    Oh well, not really into the effort it for a temporary title.
    This whole idea about blood dks being good in challenge modes needs to die. Sure they may very well be the best tank class for noob groups but they are nowhere near being number one.

    In order to pull of the best times in the world you need to abuse vengeance and DKs simply dont have the cooldowns to pull that off. Take scarlet monastery for example, we use diffuse magic AND zen meditation at the same time in order to vengeance cap our tank who proceeds to pretty much one shot 12 of the most dangerous trash mobs in all challenge modes. Those mobs are usually skipped using normal tactics but they are the only trash close and using that trick is so much faster.

    Now the 3 best classes/specs for challenge modes are, brewmaster monk, discipline priest and elemental shaman. Hunter also helps a lot in certian challenge modes because of aspect, MD, FD and deterrance but is not really needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFlame View Post
    as we are talking about minmaxxing time for a CM, would not the perfect time also be the fastest?
    Of course a perfect time would be the fastest but my point is, the current fastest siege is so far from perfect that a perfect time would be 2-3 mins faster.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Morrissey View Post
    Can't get excited by this.

    Challenge modes only required actual 'skill' to a point.

    The highest time will be the team who has the most stacked comp/the most patience to retry risky as fuck(but high dps) strategies such as no healer, offheals, dk tank , army of the dead spam strategies. Seems a shame for some pretty nice titles to go to waste.
    No. Please, just no.

  8. #88
    Posted by Olrox
    If someone can cheese it at all - they're still getting the time not in the good spirit of competition and outplaying everyone else - effectively being the "best" and thus warranting holding the title.
    How do you define cheesing? What is a lame tactic? We've had a small debate here about this months ago and the impression that I got was the community disagrees on those definitions or on their relevance. Players have different conceptions of what should or should not be allowed in challenge modes, often based on their experience or observations of time attacks in other games. Some say we shouldn't ever abuse enemies' AI with elevators (intentionally or not), that we shouldn't reset instances to start a fresh one with an advantage, etc. Would the competition be better for it? I think the answer is subjective. From my point of view, the constant search for ways to improve strategies keeps me really excited for this mode, more so I believe than the goal of maximizing dps.

  9. #89
    If they made these permanent, which I see both arguments for and against that, I assure you gold times would NEVER award the title. Gold gives you transmog armor, silver a mount, and bronze a crappy title. These specific titles could only be permanent if there was an even harder time like Diamond/Platinum times, and I don't see Blizzard putting in Diamond/Platinum times in anytime soon or at all. If they did however, a permanent title might be a suitable reward, but until then temporary makes a whole lot more sense. Gold's transmog should be enough of a carrot on a stick imo.

  10. #90
    Titles are awesome.
    They should change the requirement of 3 people being on the same realm.
    From a professional point of view: We run 2-4 double carries every day with 2 people playing their own account and we manage to get all the realm best times.
    My buisness will grow even more then.
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    I think the titles should be permanent but have a new "platinum" medal time that is super super hard to achieve. Gold is really too easy to get imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrispotter View Post
    I think the titles should be permanent but have a new "platinum" medal time that is super super hard to achieve. Gold is really too easy to get imo.
    This would work better. I don't think that having titles tied to realm bests the way they are implementing it is good at all from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrispotter View Post
    I think the titles should be permanent but have a new "platinum" medal time that is super super hard to achieve. Gold is really too easy to get imo.
    And platinum could reward a mount that doesn't look like absolute shit!
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  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    And platinum could reward a mount that doesn't look like absolute shit!
    One can dream.
    Hey, leave them alone! My Moonkin on the Crimson Phoenix looks like a mum carrying her obese hatchling!

    I would also like them to be permanent, but I guess only improving the best time for 1 second resulting in a massive amount of titles and CM sellers having a new way to suck out more gold/cash or people instantly achieving a unreachable best time (no healer, 1 tank) for regular groups would have more disadvantages than advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frolk View Post
    Cant wait for threads like "player XYZ *cheated* in challenge dungeon XYZ so its NOO chance for rest of us to get this/those cool titles"
    You know there will be some
    i love such remarks, it's like calling a gun overpowered in an FPS. Just do it yerself and be better with the form :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberowl View Post
    Hey, leave them alone! My Moonkin on the Crimson Phoenix looks like a mum carrying her obese hatchling!

    I would also like them to be permanent, but I guess only improving the best time for 1 second resulting in a massive amount of titles and CM sellers having a new way to suck out more gold/cash or people instantly achieving a unreachable best time (no healer, 1 tank) for regular groups would have more disadvantages than advantages.
    I only used the mount for one day, back in the first week of the xpac when no-one had them haha
    I support the titles being temp. It gives people something to work for. You can always get a better time unless a group has 150% perfect rng, every attack crits, the tank dodges everything, etc.. Obviously that's an overstatement, but I'm sure you get where I'm coming from.

    My group sells CM runs, with us based on two different realm/factions. Our recent carries on Frostmourne resulted in 6/9 of the realm best times (eligible for the feat+title - i.e. 3/5+ from Frostmourne) we jokingly said oh yeah that'll cost you an extra hundred thousand per run. The opportunity to make an absolute mountain of gold from doing that would just promote buying gold which is probably another reason blizzard made them temp.
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  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    And platinum could reward a mount that doesn't look like absolute shit!
    One can dream.
    I like the birds :/, use them on my alts lol.

    But yeah this is interesting.

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  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    I only used the mount for one day, back in the first week of the xpac when no-one had them haha
    I support the titles being temp. It gives people something to work for. You can always get a better time unless a group has 150% perfect rng, every attack crits, the tank dodges everything, etc.. Obviously that's an overstatement, but I'm sure you get where I'm coming from.

    My group sells CM runs, with us based on two different realm/factions. Our recent carries on Frostmourne resulted in 6/9 of the realm best times (eligible for the feat+title - i.e. 3/5+ from Frostmourne) we jokingly said oh yeah that'll cost you an extra hundred thousand per run. The opportunity to make an absolute mountain of gold from doing that would just promote buying gold which is probably another reason blizzard made them temp.
    I also sell CM and I hope the temporary titles will boost the CM boosting scene again, druids of any spec are a rare request :/ And yes, reaching a new top time doing those boosts is nothing rare and the amount of gold you get is quite solid, but I fear I won't be able to achieve a best time on a decently populated realm because some specs are just superior to others (in my case Ele vs. Moonkin, but I boost as rDruid most of the time anyways so whatever).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberowl View Post
    I also sell CM and I hope the temporary titles will boost the CM boosting scene again, druids of any spec are a rare request :/ And yes, reaching a new top time doing those boosts is nothing rare and the amount of gold you get is quite solid, but I fear I won't be able to achieve a best time on a decently populated realm because some specs are just superior to others (in my case Ele vs. Moonkin, but I boost as rDruid most of the time anyways so whatever).
    We'll definitely sell the feats and just state 500000x that the titles are TEMPORARY. Will be a nice investment fund for next expac.
    We're lucky enough to have all the realm bests on a low pop realm, and the times are rather decent (Decent enough to put my alt pally at #1 US and #2 World for prot pallies) so they won't be beaten any time soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    We'll definitely sell the feats and just state 500000x that the titles are TEMPORARY. Will be a nice investment fund for next expac.
    We're lucky enough to have all the realm bests on a low pop realm, and the times are rather decent (Decent enough to put my alt pally at #1 US and #2 World for prot pallies) so they won't be beaten any time soon.
    Or simply charge them gold for another full run if they want to regain the title! Oh, the amount of runs we'd sell ಠಠ

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