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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by kamran View Post
    Seriously if you werent able to run ICC during wotlk aka the PUG expac, you have to be really, horribly and terribly bad
    I think you, as a raid god, are a bit out of touch with reality.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    No, I don't. Don't extrapolate from what I say.

    But LFR would grant you a raid group to close the story loop, which is a far better experience than soloing him.
    You said that "so everyone who played through the previous Warcraft games can close that story loop" which implies that a player cannot do such currently and I was addressing that. Yes providing a group experience would be different from a solo experience while from a closing of story standpoint is moot and an LFR experience would not be the same as it was in normal mode even with the 30% buff when ICC was current. You also cannot stop and pay attention to everything that is happening in a fast paced environment of LFR, most PuGs ran slower than the average LFR of today. A lot of the story aspects of raids are missed in the fast paced world of LFR.

    Asking for Blizzard to rehash an old raid that still exists in the game right now with the LFR system is largely impractical from a queue standpoint unless gear that is equal or greater than the current LFR is provided. Doing such will still result in the LFR playerbase in being further spread out while there are players who already cannot get a filled group during certain times of the week, LFR is a very player hungry system. Unless an LFR version of ICC was made fairly trivial and fast to burn through then you are looking at three separate sections of which Blizzard needs to make gear for and has to decide to ether made the gear equivalent or better than the current tier to keep the queues up. The mechanics for many of the fights in ICC will get gutted and ether be removed or ignorable including with LK turning the fight into a tank and spank with cinematic. At that point Blizzard is better off just making it a Scenario for those players who just want a convenient way to queue for old raids and see the story which Scenarios are design for over soloing them and without the developers having to deal with the huge queue problems that will have to be addressed.

    Just look at Onyxia, that is how rehashing old raids into LFR will be like, a short burst of nostalgia that dies off as there are newer things to do along with new art. The players who jump into there at the start will be fine while the later ones will be left with shitty queues. If you really want a convenient way to revisit old content for story purposes then Scenarios fit far better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dilbon View Post
    I think you, as a raid god, are a bit out of touch with reality.
    Reality varies from realm to realm. Some realm had PuGs of all different requirements even for newbs with no achievements not only in WotLK but Cata as well. Now these newb friendly PuGs would not full clear but you could use them to progress and get into PuGs that are more progressed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Durandro View Post
    Nice to have a guild that boosts you. Because you sure as hell didn't pug all that with no gear or achievements.
    Well there was GDKP(sp?) and this was a month before Cata so there could have been PuG groups and if you was a social person then it is possible to get into a group that was going to full clear that was not a guild group. A PuG I was in grabbed a tank that was fairly inexperienced in ICC just cuss needed one.
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  3. #83
    LFR is a horrible feature and it should never be applied to old raids

  4. #84
    dont see the point of wasting devs time by making old raids lfr compatable , i.e. dumb down encounters with no real mechanics that are basicly there as a loot pinyata , keeping in mind that ppl usually leave after one wipe, just so ppl can experience an old raid. old raids are gone ,tuning all or some of them just for lfr is a waste of time imo.

  5. #85
    None! Absolutely none.
    Think of some of the most popular raids in WoW. Ulduar and Karazhan comes to mind. Though many would say the opening of the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj, Sunwell, Naxx40 etc. (everyone has different opinions on this, but these seem to be the most popular). What do these have in common? They each had a distinct and stunning atmosphere, tailored music to complete the atmosphere etc. But most importantly, they were hard, required skill, time and dedication.

    If LFR had existed for Ulduar, it would not be epic at all. It would be a boring grind. Why? Because everyone would get to see it! Everyone would get to finally kill that bastard General Vesax and reach Yogg-Saron, the god of Death.

    I quit just after reaching level 85 in Cataclysm but started again in the Firelands patch and started gearing through Heroics.
    At the end of Cataclysm I had not completed a single raid of the expansion, except one, Dragon Soul, only because it took 30 minutes in LFR. I don't even remember the raid! I don't care about it. It hasn't put a stamp on my memory like Ulduar or Karazhan did, or even Blackwing Descent, Bastion of Twilight or Firelands, raids I didn't even complete.
    Because it required no time, skill and dedication.

    You may say that pre-LFR raids should be in LFR because they are no longer relevant. I get that. It's nice to go back to these raids. But keep the filthy hands of LFR away from them. Let them stay epic.

    Sorry if this was a rant.
    And also, the location of the raid is a part of the raid. I mean, seeing the Lair of Onyxia in Dustwallow Marsh before entering was kind of epic. Looking at Naxxramas floating above Eastern Plaguelands was also kind of essential to the atmosphere of the raid. So teleporting directly inside the raid with a bunch of strangers makes you miss out on something too.
    Last edited by Danielvonluchau; 2013-07-14 at 11:10 AM.

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by jenia View Post
    dont see the point of wasting devs time by making old raids lfr compatable , i.e. dumb down encounters with no real mechanics that are basicly there as a loot pinyata , keeping in mind that ppl usually leave after one wipe, just so ppl can experience an old raid. old raids are gone ,tuning all or some of them just for lfr is a waste of time imo.
    Hi! That's not what I was talking about, bro

    I was wondering, had LFR been in the game from the start, what raid would you have enjoyed the most in LFR?
    Hope that helps buddy!

  7. #87
    Heenk: sorry, but the lfr hate army is just out in full retard force here, they can't read or comprehend or understand the original question at all.

    As for the OP question, I'd be torn between Black Temple or Sunwell. Both were awesome fun experiences.

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    MC, since then it would have been in the game since the beginning and we woud not have all the weeping and wailing over the loss of imagined prestige now.
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    I think that ToC should have been with both a 10 and 25 player LFR, on seperate lockouts of course, aswell as ToGC of course having its own 10 and 25 LFR on seperate lockouts. Would have worked great combined with the asian double reset they had (have?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamran View Post
    Seriously if you werent able to run ICC during wotlk aka the PUG expac, you have to be really, horribly and terribly bad
    Or, you know, just didn't want to deal with PUG raid leaders with a God complex.

    Also, lol @ all the LFR-QQ. Must be really hard to be unable to get over the whole LFR thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nekobaka View Post
    You said that "so everyone who played through the previous Warcraft games can close that story loop" which implies
    That everyone who played through the previous Warcraft games can close the story loop in a similar environment to its original state.

    I did say don't extrapolate from what I say. The rest of your post falls down, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coocoo View Post
    Heenk: sorry, but the lfr hate army is just out in full retard force here, they can't read or comprehend or understand the original question at all.

    As for the OP question, I'd be torn between Black Temple or Sunwell. Both were awesome fun experiences.
    And you want to destroy those experiences by making them into LFR? I struggle to believe a single experience in LFR can be described as "awesome and fun". That's why so many people answer: None.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamran View Post
    None. Lfr is horrible so I dont lament the lack of lfr for any raid.
    Agree with this fully.
    LFR has its place in the game and we have to accept it.. doesnt mean we have to like it though =/
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  14. #94
    I wouldn't have cared for an LFR version of any raid. The ones that I didn't get to raid at the time seemed far more mysterious because they were out of my reach. I would not have appreciated them the same way if I could have just queued for an easier version.

    I also can't specifically think of a raid that would've specifically stood out in LFR. I would expect for them all to have been converted similarly. The 10-man raids might've been interesting if the LFR versions remained 25-man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whidbey View Post
    All raids at any level below your current. It seems ridiculous that you can only queue at level for the raid or dungeon and they vanish.
    Admittedly it can be bit of a shame that the LFR models are lost to players who have leveled past the required level.

  15. #95
    None. LFR is the most ridiculous thing that's been added to the game. It's dumb that people can go do some raids at anytime they feel like it or if they aren't in a raiding guild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zubacz View Post
    And you want to destroy those experiences by making them into LFR? I struggle to believe a single experience in LFR can be described as "awesome and fun". That's why so many people answer: None.
    Struggle away, you simply demonstrate your own limitations. I like LFR, it's fun. It has me playing more than I have for a long time. And yes I did 'real' raiding, even way back in the day. Been playing since OG beta.
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    So, to have max-level "new" versions of old raids? No thanks. And if they will be LFR'able only at their respectable brackets - just look at Dragon Soul - it would take you much longer than eternity to get into DS LFR now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacotruck View Post
    . And yes I did 'real' raiding, even way back in the day.
    So did I. From Vanilla until Wrath.

    I wouldn't anymore, though. To me, even LFR is much more fun than having to deal with a raiding guild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    None, it sucks any enjoyment out of real raiding.

    Let the raiders raid.
    I have done enough "real raiding". I'm enjoying LFR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zubacz View Post
    And you want to destroy those experiences by making them into LFR? I struggle to believe a single experience in LFR can be described as "awesome and fun". That's why so many people answer: None.
    I think that freeing the Celestials during the LFR Twin Consorts fight was awesome and fun.
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