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Im not missing a single fact here. It seems that you have forgotten that WOW has paid for much of the TITAN development and lost many devs to that game as well. I think its just about time that the subscribers that are paying for WOW get their full worth of the sub put back into the game.
And lastly ... Ye I bought a poster .... But I was not charged monthly fee by a greedy company for going into my room where the poster was hanging after that. If you dont see the difference... then I can't help you. But many of us can.
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Firstly, WHO define the rule that "if you are P2P, then you are not allowed to have a cash shop"?
You may not like it, but, if they can pull it off, and make money with it, I don't see why they wouldn't. A lot of the P2P that turned F2P games out there, you don't think they will do the same if they can pull it off without half the players leaving?
Making money is pretty much always the #1 priority with companies, if I have something that I know people will pay for it even if I abuse it, you bet I am going to milk every one of you dry.
Full worth of sub means that you get get the money you pay for the game INTO that game but not into other games and their development. Every moron in the world can go and look at the cost that is put into WOW and then the revenues from the subs.
And you are avoiding the issue that pretty much everyone can see here. Its OK for a F2P cash shop to add another poster or "VHS" tape into their game cause those games are NOT charging ppl for login in to the game in the first place. There is no grey line there. There is not a single other game out there that both charges for items and then forces you to pay a sub to just log into the game. Not one. And THATS a FACT !
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Making money is not always the #1 priority of companies. It is #1 for greedy companies that dont respect paying consumers. If they can make more profit of it.... doesn't mean they aren't scumbags for doing it.
So lets see... Good example of a company that could go the same route and start to charge SUB as well as charging for items also... Lets take STEAM for example. You buy the game and then charged 15$ per month for login into them. That would be very unethical to do ... but they would probably get away with it. But STEAM shows abit more respect to their paying consumers than that..... Even tho Blizzard doesn't.
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
While the helms are cool, I'd still like to ask a simple question:
Where in god's green earth is my damned Fey Dragon Mount!
and so it begins... the screams of PAY TO WIN will echo throughout the land for ages, all because Blizzard put transmog items on the Blizzard Store.
the Vocal Minority will scream "WHERE DOES IT END?!? WHATS NEXT GOLD ON THE BLIZZARD STORE? TIER 38? HEROIC DEMONHUNTERFORGED RETURN OF ILLIDAN RAID 3.0 GEAR???"
all the while the silent majority just walks on by, "nothing to see here folks, move along"
Blizzard owns both their servers and the "apps". You once again show total lack of understanding what you are talking about
I guess they have to fix the whole Vivendi situation somehow.
Shame I just resubbed, this is phyiscally disgusting to me. The slippery slope starts here.
People quitting over this are just dumb. I see nothing wrong with it at all even though I wouldn't have one of those helms if they paid ME.
I don't think WoW will ever go F2P but the notion that doing so is "where MMO's go to die" is just not true. LOTRO did it a while back and their revenues tripled and the sub base actually went up. They are very healthy and still turning out new content and expansions. That game, a fine one btw, has much more active servers than before. They do offer ways to buy the store items without paying real money though and that is the way to go. If you pay the sub cost, you get free store purchase points every month and you also get points for things you complete in the game. If you choose F2P you only get the points through your actions in game or purchasing more in the store. The only thing purchasable for real money are the Turbine points you use to buy store items but as I said, they can also be obtained in other ways.
Moreover, a phone without a sub and apps does not work. But WoW without all those cosmetic items works just fine.
Oh, and I'm still waiting on that inflation calculation from you.
And if STEAM will charge a monthly fee as well as buying the game, I simply stop using Steam, and probably a lot of people too.
While you may say, a lot of people will also quit WoW too because of this, well, let's see. Historic data pretty much show Blizzard can add anything (as long as non power related) people will happily pay for it on top of their sub.
Until people start complaining with their wallet, Blizzard probably will keep doing this.
Games like LOTRO give players OPTIONS on how to play and if they spend money. Blizzard is not doing that with their system by the looks of things. They are making sure you have to pay for both items and then pay the sub and you have zero means to do anything else. Thats the unethical part about their model and shows total lack of respect in my opinion.
I find it kind of hilarious that people are freaking out and threatening to quit over three transmog helms that are frankly quite ugly.
Also: do any of you guys who are threatening to quit hate the fact that the BMAH offers heroic raiding gear periodically? Because if you're gonna quit over pay to win...welp...that's in game pay to win right there, and you never mention it.
Blizzard has had a cash shop for in game items since Wrath. Thus far they've not offered anything with an in game advantage, and the things datamined to be in game advantages in 5.4 are going to a market with a totally different subscription model. Do you think you guys could stop with the "THEY OFFERED X, THAT MEANS NEXT IS BUYING YOUR HEROIC RAID GEAR" crap until they, you know, ACTUALLY DO IT?
Alot of the complaints I see here are due to the fact that they believe this takes away from development time for subscription content, but honestly.... we are seeing more content added to the game now than at any point in the games history (the pace of content I mean). Nothing has been taken away from the core game, you have more than ever before. This is EXTRA development, for EXTRA cash, if you don't like it, speak with your wallet and don't buy it.
The slippery slope argument is kind of unfounded too imo, there is a HUGE difference between offering cosmetic/convenience items and offering player power, and Blizzard knows this (That being said, if WoW ever did become pay2win I'd be right beside you grabbing my pitchfork :P)