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  1. #781
    I see it like this. You pay for a subscription for a theme park. You can excess everything in the park. BUT when you are hungry, food is for your own expense (transfers/faction change). And now they are expending on their gift shop. I don't mind.

  2. #782
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamyz View Post
    Without going too much into the whole cosmetics/pay2win debate raging here..

    They need to be able to monetize the game in some way in order to survive and keep development going, we've been paying the same static subscription price for almost 10 years now.
    With yearly inflation somewhere around 2.5-3% that $15 bucks 10 years ago was worth quite a bit more than it is today, so I'd guess they're under a lot of pressure to actually find working business model.

    Bumping up the sub price would look really bad PR-wise and as the game is inevitably getting older and losing more players ... what would be the realistic alternative to covering the losses from static subscription pricing if not the cash shop items?

    As much as I dislike the "cheap" feel of cash shops (especially if they're in-game/in-your-face), I think it's a fairly good interim solution for WoW.

    I'm sure the Blizzard management has some sort of long-term strategy objectives in place to take the next steps (perhaps a possible free2play model) for when the next low-water performance indicator is reached (perhaps a sort of a free2play model?) - will be interesting to see what it is when we get there.

    Moving more and more things to the cash shop (with different pricing points) gives them flexibility they need at the moment and it's a solid (and quite expected) business move - a bit surprised it took them this long - losing profits on static subs can't have been easy for them.

    Gamewise.. I'm not so sure - but as long as it's not pure play2win shop and they don't implement too many reminder pop-ups while I'm running a raid, I'm resonably OK with it
    To survive? Really?

    Yes, let's pretend they don't have plenty of money and this is just a necessary evil. God forbid a company starts making less money off a game after 9 years. Do you really think they can't make a profit with 8 mil subscribers without an ingame shop?

  3. #783
    Quote Originally Posted by toddless View Post
    Remember those separate lockouts between 10 and 25 man everyone was whining about/praising to come back? Remember how those were released in Asia only? Remember how people like you said they were coming to the west?

    ....yep that happened...not.
    I would suggest you not hit the reply button if you're too ignorant to follow what is going on. They said it's going to asia in the OUTSET, look that word up I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you. They never said an extra lockout was coming to the west, in fact they stated the exact opposite.

  4. #784
    That new mount is the same as that pony from two years ago but with some armor on it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Selvari7 View Post
    Just when you thought this game couldn't go more downhill. Major sub losses inc.
    The sad part is that the (non-vocal) majority, like some people here, will just eat Blizzards advertisements up. And somehow support spending money on pets and mounts while those pets and mounts could have been in the game for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddless View Post
    Remember those separate lockouts between 10 and 25 man everyone was whining about/praising to come back? Remember how those were released in Asia only? Remember how people like you said they were coming to the west?

    ....yep that happened...not.
    When they change to F2P or pay per minute/hour they will bring seperate lockouts to the west.
    Last edited by Gilian; 2013-07-14 at 06:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warlocx View Post
    I see it like this. You pay for a subscription for a theme park. You can excess everything in the park. BUT when you are hungry, food is for your own expense (transfers/faction change). And now they are expending on their gift shop. I don't mind.
    You are forgetting about you purchasing the game; buying the game would be your entry to the theme park, and when you're in you have to pay for every attraction and food just like all other themeparks(sub games like WoW or, f2p like GW/SWtOR games with a shop) that work like this, but now you can not get into the front seat of the rollercoaster, you can not get the food that tastes better and you may not enter the best rollercoaster of the park, you will have to pay for it (item shop). Will you go to such a theme park that already charges you 13 Euro an hour AFTER you pay the 50 Euro entrance fee?

    F2P/P2W : Game free, items/features cost money per in an itemshop
    Sub-Games: Game ~50E , items/features cost subscription.

    Blizz is trying to get the best of both world regarding income, but we shouldn't just bend over.
    Last edited by Outofmana; 2013-07-14 at 06:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warlocx View Post
    I see it like this. You pay for a subscription for a theme park. You can excess everything in the park. BUT when you are hungry, food is for your own expense (transfers/faction change). And now they are expending on their gift shop. I don't mind.
    Corporate America rely on suckers like you to make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by risingforce View Post
    Lol.

    Actually, it is YOU that has moved 'so far away from what [it] used to be'. If you've been playing for 9 years what do you expect? It's natural you feel less inclined to play the game, you are NINE years older since you first saw Vanilla --so please don't insinuate that the 'cash shop' is the end of the road for you. All games have a natural growth decay, as do economies and cities. The features to population ratio has to increase to both retain new and old customers; the Blizzard Store is a natural evolution in the growth of WoW and one that embraces what most players would expect.

    It is only the hard nosed, long in the tooth naysayers (not you personally) that complain about such commodities being added to a well updated game -both within the game and without.

    For all of the 'hardcore' or 'purists' I say this: these additions to the Store affect you not.

    As for 'implications' (sic) that so many people are trolling for, I wouldn't waste my time arguing with such puerile nonsense!

    It's about time WoW gamers grew up and stick to their own niches if they can't embrace others' -if you don't like the 'Store then good for you, enjoy your game, your play experience hasn't changed one bit for it!!
    I've changed over the 9 years, absolutely. Over the years i've responded well to the majority of changes to the game - for better or worse.

    I love games that reward time commitment. I do not stomp my feet and demand on the forums that WoW should continue to behave that way; but for me, it was a big part of spending my time playing it. Don't ask me to "don't insinuate that the cash stop is the end of the road". It is; why can't you understand that?

    As i said in my post - i wish everyone else the best of luck and hope that it doesn't go too far.

    Live and let live etc.
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    Blizzards intro lol


  11. #791
    Well, look at that. Blizzard cares about designing proper good looking items as long as real money is involved. Basically everything else has been stale this expansion.

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    As long as the store remains a vanity store I am perfectly fine with it. The only thing that bothers me is they lack on creativity with the Tier/pvp armor sets and then come out with really awesome stuff that we will need to spend IRL money on....wtf Blizzard. WoW will die because of poor decisions they make such as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post
    To survive? Really?

    Yes, let's pretend they don't have plenty of money and this is just a necessary evil. God forbid a company starts making less money off a game after 9 years. Do you really think they can't make a profit with 8 mil subscribers without an ingame shop?
    I don't doubt that - I'm absolutely sure they can turn profit, even with 1M subs.

    But it's not about that - it's about making more profit than they did the in the same quarter previous year and the year before that. If this was their first year, then champagne would be flowing and there would be no need for cash shops. But it isn't so they're being compared to last good numbers - and have to try to deliver more - or at least try to break down the slide. I'm sure their board/shareholders are aware they can't get back to the heydays of the past but it doesn't mean they accept a shrug and a "well we still have some subs" as an explanation to declining profits.

    They haven't done anything about sub prices in all these years, so playing WoW is now cheaper than ever (declining profit curve).
    And in that climate, the cash shop makes sense as extra rev. stream.

    And about them having a lot of money.. I wouldn't know. Quite often the profits from past years have been reinvested/shared as dividends so I'd be surprised if they actually had a lot of money sitting in their bank account. Companies tend to live by their cash flows these days - not past savings.

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    It was quite a ride, but this is the last drop for me. I have canceled my subscription and I hope, that it is clear message for guys at Blizzard. I know, I am just one player, but still, in my eyes, this is the best way how to say to Blizzard, that they are not anymore doing thing, which is worth my money. I do not care about the argument "it is only cosmetic", I simply think, that it is non-ethical and greedy from Blizzard, even if they are ordinary company and they need to make money. Few years back, I was able to accept pets store, but the game is not the shiny extraordinary super blockbuster nowadays, and I am not willing to support Blizzard in their work anymore.
    Last edited by Deffry; 2013-07-14 at 10:34 PM.

  15. #795
    Lol at those fugly helms and lol at blizzard mad supporters.

  16. #796
    It is kinda funny how they push out shitugly tier sets now but as soon as its something they can earn more money from they make it amazing.

  17. #797
    Quote Originally Posted by Tempeste View Post
    Actually it did. How many times have you seen a datamined mount or pet model here and gone "Oh that looks too good, must be for the store". Not to mention people had been asking for a bat mount for ages, and they finally get one, but oh wait you have to pay extra, sorry!

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    I remember when this game came out, one of the devs said something like "We will never charge you money outside of your subscription for any content", back when EQ and Asian games were doing so and they were trying to lord over people that they were better than that. It was what made a lot of people pick WoW over other games.

    Then the sparkle pony came, and everyone defended them despite this. Then the pets. And now this. Where does the line end? Have people just forgotten what other games were like who went down this route? Why does Blizzard get a free pass when a lot of people have seen how this kind of road has turned out in other games? And yes, they started with "just cosmetics", too. Many of them never even went down the route of XP boosts and such, it was just frustrating that you paid a monthly fee and then had to pay another fee on top of that for cool items that your monthly fee should have covered. That was Blizzard's old philosophy, and that is why I put my trust and faith into them for all these years. I bit my tongue with pets and mounts, but sorry, gear (even just cosmetics, yes) is just three strikes and I'm out.
    Mounts and pets are not content. They didn't lie at all.

  18. #798
    I seriously can't get over the fact that the sickest helmets in the game I can't get IN THE GAME.

    This is eating at me more than I thought it would. I am so disappointed.

  19. #799
    Quote Originally Posted by Crookids View Post
    I seriously can't get over the fact that the sickest helmets in the game I can't get IN THE GAME.

    This is eating at me more than I thought it would. I am so disappointed.
    "Disappointed" is the perfect word to describe how I feel.

    But I'm more disappointed in Blizzard than the fact that I can't get the helms in-game. Soon they will be selling character models, haircuts, breads, tattoos, spell effects ... etc.

    It will be, spend money on the store or look like a hobo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dch48 View Post
    Mounts and pets are not content. They didn't lie at all.
    Explain how they aren't content?

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