There was outrage and slippery slope hailing of the end times when the sparkly pony was launched toward the end of Wrath (2010ish?), that wained however as people turned instead to ridiculing That Retarded Horse as people sensed the slope was pretty shallow and offered reasonable footing.
"The logic of consumer rights"? Hahaha! You're just spouting nonsense; misusing words and concepts you quite clearly don't understand. Blizzard is well within their rights to maintain a cash shop; Pardo's comment clearly refers to anything that gives a player a competitive advantage in-game. He specifically cited gold buying because of the versatility of that currency in-game and thus the advantage it could offer a player, as well as the de-stabilisation of the in-game economy. Cosmetic helmets, mounts and pets do none of these things.
I'd suggest you quit while you're behind, little boy. Your general ignorance of the business world is making you look like a complete, belligerent fool.
@Inahu: You are wrong, and blind to the simple fact that the 15 dollars you pay every month is supposed to give you all out access to what the game has to offer.
If we let them get away with this its only a matter of time before its more stuff you can buy but still have to pay a monthly fee.
It is comparable to having to pay for Xbox Live as a "service" to just use your internet you already pay for, at least in the future they are committing to having a ton more servers so its more reasonable that way.
and by the "its a buisness making money" argument, it would be ok if they doubled the monthly fee, and also charged a 1 dollar admission to every raid you do to help fund the instance servers.
"From the first to the end of the Sixth Generation of consoles, for THIRTY FOUR YEARS, this is what gaming was and it was FANTASTIC! You enjoyed the experience and gaming was what it was supposed to be FUN, COMPLETE, no DLC back then the new content was called a sequel and we waited eagerly for it."
-Muzz (L1GAMES) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePNHfnR-SwA
Sadly, tons of people who are leaving game, can't outweight income which Acti-Blizzard gets from brainwashed people. By buying pet/mount/help/flask/whatever in $$-shop, those people are just supporting them to continue with their foul practices.I'd suggest you quit while you're behind, little boy. Your general ignorance of the business world is making you look like a complete, belligerent fool.
Oh and when you will start to make accent on "business" in game, well you are killing game, that's it. Gaming was used to be art, not some cash cow for milking. That quote from Pardo was not the only evidence of Blizzard (pre-Activi$ion) politics, when cash-shop was something entirely unacceptable for WoW. Now it's even gonna become part of in-game UI like in some f2p game. It's just a spit towards already paying customers.
Apply blizzards business model to any other subscription on the planet and you'd be outraged:
You login to Netflix and they've put no new movies on for 6 months. You do a search, find a new movie only to find when you click play, it tell's you there's going to be a $5 charge.
You get in an accident. You click your onstar button and they tell you they need to have your credit card number before they can contact help for you, and it will be a $20 fee.
You turn on your tv (directv/cable/dish whatever) only to find all you get are the infomercial channels. Every other show is pay per view.
Starting to see how dumb that model is? If you can't see it's the same exact thing, come back in a couple years when you're a little older and wiser.
Apply blizzards model to any other subscription service,you'd be outraged:
Netflix adds no new movies for a year, you click a new movie, there's a $5 fee.
You're in an accident, click your onstar button, but there's an addition $20 fee for them to help.
You turn on your tv only to find all you get are the infomercial channels. Every other show is pay per view.
See how dumb that model is?
To all of those people whore are going to unsub because of a Blizzard Store, can I have your gold ?
Some people will leave and some people will comeback
People are going to care about Blizzard Selling ilvl 483 pve gear when the during the 522 ilvl tier season ?
Selling a Season 11 pvp gear during season 13 ?
And let's face it, Raiding and RBG are serious business nowadays
For myself I cant wait to buy an xp potion 100% for my lvl 25 Alliance Pally, wich I don't have the courage and time ( I'm busy with my Horde) to start the leveling process again and then buy a 483 ilvl Pve Set so I can join Alliance raids. umadbro ?
Last edited by Phuongvi; 2013-07-17 at 06:42 AM.
WoW isn't a game where an instore game should work. Firstly it has a subscription fee, so they are double dipping into peoples wallets.
GW2 on the other hand is a perfect game for an in-store game, you can't pay to win like wow. Its not a gear progression game. its about aesthetics. Also they have a trade you can make gold in-game and convert it to the store currency gems. You don't have to spend a dime if farm enough, or you have money you can just buy currency via cash. GW2 is making huge amounts of money from their store because they release new content and stuff to buy ever 2 weeks. WoW can't and doesn't release new content that fast.
If Wow allows you to spend gold in the game store then its ok for old players who have banked a lot. bad for new players but I doubt there are a lot of new WoW players.
"you can't be serious!!" - yes actually I am.
I never bought a sparkly horse or similar before I quit.
If I buy something from the store, does it become mine? Do I have ownership of it?
If I do, I would want to have access to it at anytime. If I can't, it's probably not worth buying.
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Last edited by coldrain; 2013-07-17 at 06:06 AM.
When you buy an expansion you buy all the content that's intended for a full expansion.
Anyways, I think blizzard are realizing that a free to play model is the better option for todays gaming market but they're not going to throw their entire subscribtion fee away instantly. Give them a year to figure out how and what they'll do with cash shop and make a system that actually works for it, untill wow goes free to play expect monthly fees to get cheaper. Blizzard has said that they lack the "new" players to wow, part of that barrier that new players have to go past is the monthly fee and 4 expansions. It's simply expensive to start to play wow, espeacially if you're not sure what's it about. Making wow free to play will break half that barrier and it'll be a lot more inviting to new players once wow is free to play.
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None of the items in the store are in anyway a requirement to play the game nor do they boost anything you do.
Gold / cash sink =/= OP items that break the game.
You are wrong OP. we pay for:
Premium Services that are:
Game content from time to time.
Opportunity to achieve what we want in game. (and we don't get this)
Imagine you rent a house but the owner tells you "if you want to use the kitchen you must pay additional fee"
And that is just wrong, good for the business but wronng.
And another wrong thing.
YOU pay the developers to make things, like content, items, achievements.
Well they made that items that will be sold at AH from the money you paid, and that money goes into services, soo they make things being paid from your own money and then they ask more money to give you that items. WRONG.
Last edited by laumex; 2013-07-17 at 06:24 AM.
Blizzard changed how TCG item work and made them Bind on Use after you redeem the codes probably because a) lots of people got scammed or b) they knew people value TCG items so much so they wanted to increase booster packs sales.
I tend to go with b) tbh because... well.. cash shops etc etc. Everything Blizzard does lately isn't in favor of the player, but their own pockets. Also, the return of specific discontinued loot cards in the most recent TCG expansion only strengthens my belief.
So, yeah, either you're a new player and probably don't know most of this stuff and how Blizzard changed over the years or you simply didn't pay much attention to it.
Someone mentioned gw2 as a game where u can get everything from the $$$ shop for ingame currency if u grind enough. Thats 100% true for Neverwinter too and i think to some extend to SWTOR.
I wish the ppl who are defending blizz and saying that this is just cosmetics think about what part of their game is actualy cosmetical. I personaly spend 75% of my time when im online into getting rare stuff: pets/mounts/good (imo) looking sets. I also spend a decent amount of time farming gold wich ALSO some ppl have it easy as a norwigian friend of mine for example that has no issue to spend 200 euro for a TCG loot and sell it ingame and do that every 3-4 weeks or so.
Ppl are correct when they say that this isnt something new and its been around for a while, BUT as all things its all about the scale. Eventualy it just gets out of line. For me i think the stepping stone wasent this ugly helmets, but instead the bat mount wich has been desired for a realy long time by a majority of players as a natural reward for the horde side.
Now for that random idiot who was calling ppl lazy for not buying the ingame store stuff. I get realy tired of ppl who thinks that everyone is in the same financial status as they are, and if they have tons of cash to spare so should everyone else. Come please to Bulgaria and get a normal goverment job with a magisters degree as i have , get ur 350 eu paycheck, pay ur fucking bills and come back to me again about ingame store.
Why should i feel like a second class player in WoW just because i cant afford all the stuff that TBFH is looking better than all the crap blizzard designs lately as a reward for PVP or PVE.
I would have been just 1/10 less frustrated if i could atlest farm for this items myself : ie farm gold and trade it for the blizz balance or smt, coz knowing its there and u can only get it for cash feels realy bad.
They should man up and come out clean and say if they intend to transition the game to F2P or folow the sub based system. If they come out clean and say that for example in 1 year from now they plan to drop the subb and the whole point of this item shop is that transition i could understand their actions. But for as this moment i find this bussness practises higly shady and unjust. As i stated earlier on page 32 blizzard is far away from broke to need extra 10-20% income. Ppl need to realise that every single move like this is like pining a nail to a deads man coffin. The truth is that this game relyes mostly on old players and bit by bit they quit, and even if u dont care now eventualy it will get to the point that u would quit aswell because there wont be a community left for u to play with (and this is not a theory its a fact, and ppl from low pop servers know it very well).
The only good argument I can come up with is that this way Blizzard makes more profit so they can put out more/better content. But who are we kidding. Like they are not swimming in money right now...
Would also be really hypocritical to think a business whos only purpose is to make more profit will spend your money for your benefit in a 9 year old game.
Because they are a business trying to make money also doesn't mean we need to accept that they are extremely greedy.
Last edited by Gilian; 2013-07-17 at 07:58 AM.