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  1. #861
    Quote Originally Posted by lupii View Post
    I hear SWTOR is a great game that uses the same paymodel as WoW USED to use. =D
    SWTOR Is a good game... I play both. The Cartel Coins are a good idea... You get nice vanitey items. Its a company at the end of the day and they need to make money so kudos to them. As a long of people say if you dont want to the items dont buy them. Blizzard isnt saying if you have to buy this item or your account will be banned.... You are the foolish people buying them then complaining because you sent x $ on it
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  2. #862
    Quote Originally Posted by Arewn View Post
    This is the flaw in a lot of people's thinking. Yes, you pay to log on, but as a consumer you're not supposed to TRY and get yourself boned. You're not supposed to bend over and say "here mega-corporation, have your way with me!". You want good value for your money, not for the company to nickle and dime you by putting development time towards things you have to pay extra for instead of towards the things your expensive sub fee is paying for.
    And to those ignorant individuals who don't realize 15 bucks a month is a lot of money for a video game, go look on Steam right now, see how much you can get for that same 15bucks. With the money you spend just to be able to log into WoW for a year (not including buying hte game, expansions, or the at times necessary account services), you could buy an entire library of games right now. If you want to argue that WoW and it's measly few patches a year has more content, and content of higher quality, then an entire library of games of your choice from Steam, then you're so poorly informed that you're not even qualified for this simple discussion.
    This isn't a game that's struggling to get by, so stop justifying the company making the game a worse deal for you.
    So much this, I can't believe anyone would argue that they want to have to pay more money. It is just... odd.

  3. #863
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    Quote Originally Posted by dacoolist View Post
    Believe me when I say this... 15$ a month is pathetic amount of money for as much time, and fun I get out of WoW.

    All you haters need to understand how many billionaires are in the world, and find out HOW LITTLE 15 bucks is in 2013.

    Seriously..

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  4. #864
    Quote Originally Posted by Pancaspe View Post
    I love this poster!
    Yea, he's pretty funny, taking the value of 15$ so far out of context.
    You want to find out how EXPENSIVE 15 bucks for a video game is in 2013, then like I said earlier in the thread, go on Steam right now and see how much you can get for 15 bucks.
    15 bucks can get you a lot more then a month's playtime on WoW.

    If you want to argue that you're willing to part with 15bucks a month because it offers you a lot of time worth of entertainment/things to do, then fine that makes sense. But by video game standards, 15 bucks a month is pretty expensive, it's not a good deal for what you are getting (once again, by video game standards), so don't pretend otherwise.
    Fight for better deals, don't justify getting ripped off. That's just falling victim to buyer's remorse.

  5. #865
    €12 / $15 for each helm..lmfffff

  6. #866
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Player will still have to alt tap to buy in game currency. Real question should be... why should a player that is ALREADY paying a sub then have to add real money into special currency account IF this was about Convenience? You know it has nothing to do with convenience even when you wrote these lines. PPL will STILL have to pay the sub and ppl will STILL have to alt tab.

    And the real difference here is EXTRA ingame currency that will be directly connected to real money outside of the game. Thats exactly what Pardo said they were trying to avoid with WOW. But if you can not see the difference... .then I can't help you.
    For players who are already interested in the in-game items we offer, such as Pet Store pets and mounts, the benefits of an in-game store are pretty clear. We think everyone would appreciate the convenience of being able to make such purchases without having to leave the game, and ultimately that’s our long-term goal for the system, though there’s quite a bit of work involved in retrofitting those existing items into the new system.

    I don't see anything about having to convert currency. This says to me I logon to WoW. Click the button for the in game store and click purchase.

    Btw here's Rob Pardo's quote.

    Q: Have you considered micro-transactions in WoW?
    A: We chose to go with the subscription-based model instead of that approach. We've taken the approach that we want players to feel like it's a level playing field once they're in WoW. Outside resources don't play into it -- no gold buying, etc. We take a hard line stance against it. What you get out of microtransactions is kind of the same thing and I think our player base would feel betrayed by it. I think that's something else you have to decide on up-front instead of implementing later.
    Q: But it might make it easier for the casuals to catch up....
    A: They aren't going to be the ones spending the money.


    Micro transactions for items that have no balance repercussions is not the same as being able to buy all your raid or pvp gear. That was said in 2008 btw, 5 years ago. The MMO world has changed.

  7. #867
    It's not the price, I think I speak for a few people when I say it's the principle of it. It's like hidden fees, or some kind of legal scam. Pay to play the game and then pay some more because the first payment didn't count. I don't care how much it costs, that's bullshit. I'm going back to spending my couple hours a day on Guild Wars 2 or something until a new MMO catches my interest. Why invest any more time into WoW if they will continue behaving like this? Either go free to play or cut the crap! You can't have both a pay to play subscription model AND game store. Cosmetic my ass, last time I checked transmogrification was PART OF THE GAME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocity View Post
    There is extensive gold selling/buying in game, you should be completely blind to not see it. Apart from scammers, there are also people who use cash-shop to sell mounts to other people for gold. Blizzard even tried to make it "easier" by introducing 1 BoE pet. And in-game cash-shop always leads to promotion of gold-selling, directly and indirectly. Gold-buying via cash-shop existed for quite a time.

    Sadly, tons of people who are leaving game, can't outweight income which Acti-Blizzard gets from brainwashed people. By buying pet/mount/help/flask/whatever in $$-shop, those people are just supporting them to continue with their foul practices.

    Oh and when you will start to make accent on "business" in game, well you are killing game, that's it. Gaming was used to be art, not some cash cow for milking. That quote from Pardo was not the only evidence of Blizzard (pre-Activi$ion) politics, when cash-shop was something entirely unacceptable for WoW. Now it's even gonna become part of in-game UI like in some f2p game. It's just a spit towards already paying customers.
    Those are illegal transactions. The only legal transaction is the BOE pet you can buy and sell after what a week or was it 1 day?

    The mount purchase is a scam. Buy the mount with a stolen credit card and sell it in game for gold. When the original owner of the card refutes the charges the mount disappears. The gold seller has your gold and has already re-sold it for profit. You lose the mount and cry to Blizzard. Blizzard notes your account but doesn't ban you for being stupid.

    With an in game store this whole middle man transaction would disappear. Person buys mount with a stolen credit card and it shows up on their account in game. No typing in a code. No trading it for gold. Scam eliminated.

    Blizzard didn't say they would sell gold in this store. Only vanity items. Mounts, pets, transmorg gear. Direct transaction purchases.

  9. #869
    Quote Originally Posted by Tempeste View Post
    So much this, I can't believe anyone would argue that they want to have to pay more money. It is just... odd.
    The only thing I can come up with is that they are paying with mommy's and daddy's creditcard and are buying WoW gold from some botters and hackers and thus are all for buying xp boosts and charms. They don't give a f*ck about the game itself just about their addiction for fast character progression so they can brag to their friends about how many alts/gear/gold they have.

  10. #870
    Without going into an insult phase as most of the other folk here are, it comes down to a few simple facts.

    Fact 1) The existence of these items does not in any way shape or form change the balance, state of play, or gameplay for anyone that wants to only pay their monthly fee and nothing more.

    Fact 2) Compared to most games, the price for many of the purchasable items are quite high, but again, offer no stats nor advantage over another player.

    Fact 3) Blizzard does not have the time nor the manpower to send a person with a gun to every household of every wow player to hold it to their head, and make them buy what's on the store. There is absolutely 0 'forcing' that some people have been claiming.

    So where does this leave us? Blizzard has kept their word that they are not putting in anything into the game to buy with real money, that gives a maxed level player an advantage over another maxed level player. Even if they go with the XP boosting potions, this still does not give anyone an advantage that does not already exist (Extra account to do refer a friend ect leveling boosts), and have no effect on a maxed level player.

    In the end, the only thing this has done is those who have extra money they wish to give to Blizzard for a silly cosmetic item, can. Those who hate cash shops, are not in any way, shape, or form, effected by it's existence. So can we please stop saying the sky is falling and everything will end, I've played this game since Beta3, I've heard it more times than I can count, and it always leads into a pointless circle of bias accusations and factless claims.

  11. #871
    Quote Originally Posted by Tempeste View Post
    So much this, I can't believe anyone would argue that they want to have to pay more money. It is just... odd.
    Who is arguing they want to pay more money? Most people here wouldn't likely care if the cash shop vanished.

    However, many of us simply don't mind the idea of them putting up cosmetic vanity items for those willing to pay a bit into it. They are not forcing open my wallet with a crowbar, and them selling these items does not take away from the thousands of items I get the regular way in the game.

    Even those saying that they are "wasting time" on these items don't seem to understand that more revenue means more money, and more money means higher chances for them to funnel that into the base game for the regular players. There is nothing negative about the cash shop until they start selling pay2win, which is not even on the horizon.

  12. #872
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfheart9 View Post

    In the end, the only thing this has done is those who have extra money they wish to give to Blizzard for a silly cosmetic item, can. Those who hate cash shops, are not in any way, shape, or form, effected by it's existence. So can we please stop saying the sky is falling and everything will end, I've played this game since Beta3, I've heard it more times than I can count, and it always leads into a pointless circle of bias accusations and factless claims.
    How do people supporting businesses to be greedy not affect me?

    Look at youtube advertisements. First there were none, then they added some and now they are forcing it on everyone on every single video. This only happens because people accept it, you know... people saying "I don't care" or "it doesn't affect your enjoyment".

    Sure, it won't hurt anyone right now and we can all just not care. But don't come here whining when Titan or the game after that is full of this crap.

    This is like people defending DRM etc. on the xbox one. It has no benefits for consumers at all except maybe some prediction coming true that game prices will drop. Sure, then show it to the consumers how they benefit from it. I might buy your product so convince me! I am not going to simply accept everything these companies do just because "it doesn't affect me".

    p.s. Not caring is one thing. Defending it is just illogical.

  13. #873
    The business model is untenable. You cannot expect to charge a premium subscription and then expect your customers to purchase more on top of that. Buying the game once, then paying for extras (MMO cosmetic cash shop, DLC) is an acceptable business practice. Having yoru customers buy the game, then pay a monthly subscription, and then have a cash shop is extreme. I don't think even EA has gone that far.
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  14. #874
    This is going to bite blizzard in the butt in the next game they make. I will never buy a blizzard product again. They are like EA now. only worse.


    What happened to blizzard you ask?

    They got a disease named Activision.

  15. #875
    Quote Originally Posted by Grocalis View Post
    Who is arguing they want to pay more money? Most people here wouldn't likely care if the cash shop vanished.

    However, many of us simply don't mind the idea of them putting up cosmetic vanity items for those willing to pay a bit into it. They are not forcing open my wallet with a crowbar, and them selling these items does not take away from the thousands of items I get the regular way in the game.

    Even those saying that they are "wasting time" on these items don't seem to understand that more revenue means more money, and more money means higher chances for them to funnel that into the base game for the regular players. There is nothing negative about the cash shop until they start selling pay2win, which is not even on the horizon.
    But they have proven that they can give us transmog items for the price of our subscription or expansion price, via Challenge Mode armor. Why not do that instead of charging extra?

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    Ive been thinking about this. I have never ever seen any player requesting such a stupid thing as wanting to buy transmog instead of doing what you are supposed to do, go on a solo journey or atleast bring 2-3 friends and cross your finger for a rare transmog drop.

    I cant honestly belivie that there are people like this. You are supposed to EARN your transmog, whats next, does this kind of players want to buy titles? Oh god.

    I have a cool fist transmog which droped from a boss in Tempest Keep, a claw with flames on it. I always wanted to be able to dye it blue because blue flames are epic in my eyes, but sadly as more and more people are defending this crap, expect it to end up in the store instead of something you can earn in-game. "Oh its cosmetic" yeah do you have any idea what problems you are causing?

    And Blizzard, you are so lame letting people use flying mounts from the store in the battlegrounds while i cant use my freaking flying mount on it! Its unfair.

    And btw whats up with the free migration limit? Are you expecting me to migrate to a dead server without getting anything? Lol this game has already fallen into the black hole and its about to hit the singularity.
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    OP spells at Ashran? Based on faction population? Yes, WODs gonna be the most awesome expansion ever! Propably gonna hit under 4 million sub mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roflifier View Post
    Why? Because you can't think coherently enough to provide anything constructive to the post? (I was being sarcastic by the way, I was addressing the moronic whiners complaining about what's considered "fair" and "not fair" with what Blizzard does with their money).
    Nah, you''ve missed my point entirely... you see, when I read what you'd posted in this thread it appeared to me like you were some smart ass little kid probably still wearing his braces and dealing with acne... and thats what I try to avoid... argueing with a little boy.
    Lets all go to the Blizz-store, Lets all go to the Blizz-store, Lets all go to the Blizz-store to buy ourselves some treats. Delicious things for geeks, the Pixels can't be beat. The Achievement points are just dandy, them sparkling mounts are quite handy. So Lets all go to the Blizz-store and buy ourselves a treat.

  18. #878
    Quote Originally Posted by naturetauren View Post
    Ive been thinking about this. I have never ever seen any player requesting such a stupid thing as wanting to buy transmog instead of doing what you are supposed to do, go on a solo journey or atleast bring 2-3 friends and cross your finger for a rare transmog drop.

    I cant honestly belivie that there are people like this. You are supposed to EARN your transmog, whats next, does this kind of players want to buy titles? Oh god.
    What a joke!

    People who fail to earn raid loot wanted something that looks like certain raid gear. Transmog came!

    Now it is sold for real money in a store, so what?

    Both are the same shit.

  19. #879
    Quote Originally Posted by Arewn View Post
    Yea, he's pretty funny, taking the value of 15$ so far out of context.
    You want to find out how EXPENSIVE 15 bucks for a video game is in 2013, then like I said earlier in the thread, go on Steam right now and see how much you can get for 15 bucks.
    15 bucks can get you a lot more then a month's playtime on WoW.

    If you want to argue that you're willing to part with 15bucks a month because it offers you a lot of time worth of entertainment/things to do, then fine that makes sense. But by video game standards, 15 bucks a month is pretty expensive, it's not a good deal for what you are getting (once again, by video game standards), so don't pretend otherwise.
    Fight for better deals, don't justify getting ripped off. That's just falling victim to buyer's remorse.
    After playing some F2P mmos I agree w/this. For players who do not raid, I don't see the value you're getting from your $12-$15/mo. And cost of server transfers particularly bothers me because it's so easy and automated on Blizzard's end, and your server has such a dramatic effect on gameplay.

    Other games offer a better value for far less.

  20. #880
    A game that has a paid subscription shouldn't have content locked behind more reallife cash imho
    If i pay 15 euros a month for a game, i expect that i can access all the content it has, even if that includes vanity gear or gear that is "just for looks".
    the selling of pets/mounts on the blizzard site was already shady, but at least that was still mostly for charity.
    Now they made an ingame shop and stash a lot of things in it that are locked for already paying customers, this is a really really bad idea imho.

    Getting more and more glad that i have left WoW behind me some time ago really, this kind of news does not make me want to come back.
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