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  1. #801
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    Quote Originally Posted by neanoa View Post
    You're ignorant if you think it'll stop at purely cosmetic stuff. You'll be seeing different sort of buffs to ingame currencies soon enough. Be that honor, conquest, valor, justice, charms - you name it.

    I unsubbed today, been playing since early 2006 - and this is where I get off. It's the principle and the lack of integrity on Blizzard's side - not the current content.
    8 million players are ignorant then. We've had in game pets and mounts for 5 years which could be purchased from the Blizzard web store. The only difference is it's easier to access by clicking in game now. If they were going to add the ability to buy loot then it would have happened a hell of a long time ago.

    If any company understands the effect on B2W games it's Blizzard. They've been able to watch other companies rise and fall due to transaction models that caused players to crucify them with subscription losses. Blizzard isn't desperate like these other F2P games.

  2. #802
    Quote Originally Posted by zaxlor View Post
    Buying WoW, the box copy, should work just like any other game. WoW somehow "gets away with it" because you have to play it online. I don't think that the second I make a character on WoW it should instantly be level 90 and have full epics, much the same that I don't think any character in Skyrim should be level 81 and have full Dragonbone armour.
    K.

    Quote Originally Posted by zaxlor View Post
    What I do expect, is to be able to play that game when ever I want, since I've already paid for it. I can't even think of a comparable situation where another game litterally only gives you log-in access based upon your purchase of it. It's why the decline of sub based games is on the rise, as no-one wants to pay £X amount for a game, then be told they've got to keep paying more to play with the game they already paid for.

    It shouldn't matter that it's "always online".
    Well then you incorrectly set your expectations, by no one else but yourself. I'm sorry that when you picked up this game that advertised its subscription fee and "always online" requirement, that you thought "I WON'T HAVE TO PAY A SUB FEE OR PLAY ONLINE ALWAYS, I'LL BE ABLE TO PLAY WHENEVER I WANT SINCE I ALREADY PAID FOR IT."

    Quote Originally Posted by zaxlor View Post
    No, they've been using the money they made from selling the boxed game or digital download to pay for those. Didn't one of the Blues come out and say that ToT was being made after MoP had just released? As soon as one patch it out, the next is already well underway. Blizzard can get a rough idea of how many copies of an exspansion they're going to sell based on pre-orders, but they've got no idea for how long a player is going to subscribe for.

    The cost of the box for MoP really should include all content they decide to make for MoP so long as it's relevant content. That, or my whole £9 a month needs to be spent on MoP content and only MoP content. Not on Diablo, not on Titan, not on Stracraft, only on the game i'm paying for. Else you get into things like Dragon Soul happening where they'd clearly siphoned WoW funds off into other projects and you're left with a tottally lack-luster raid.

    You also end up with that £9 a month being spent on projects that might not even see the light of day (see Titan) and being "wasted".

    I've said in other threads I don't really like the idea of splitting up content or players behind different DLC brackets, but I'd much sooner just pay £35 to play MoP with it's original content whenever I wanted with no subscription, with the option to buy raids/dungeons/other stuff later on.
    I don't need your opinions or thoughts. Facts (which entails facts and documented sources) or stfu.

    Quote Originally Posted by zaxlor View Post
    If you're going to use content patches as the justification for subscribing to WoW though, then why the hell do they even need a cash shop? Shouldn't the raids, battlegrounds, dailys, quest-hubs and anything else that gets added with a content patch be more than enough
    They don't need a cash shop; but people have been asking for micro-transactions, so Blizzard gave them micro-transactions.

    Quote Originally Posted by zaxlor View Post
    Like I've said before, every single item that is added to the cash-shop is an item that could have been added into the game via your subscrition fee.
    I don't see how this is relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by zaxlor View Post
    The more items get added into the cash-shop, the less your subscription is valued by Blizzard.
    And this is just fucking retard tinfoil hat bullshit.
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  3. #803
    Quote Originally Posted by Roflifier View Post
    A. The Asian market already has a much different price model than the NA and EU, and there are other games that offer "power" related microtransactions in the game for the Asian localizations but not NA or EU.

    B. They may be purchased in-game, but they're still purchased with real money.
    Still - you forget that those other games you are talking about are F2P games... not sub based games. They are BUILT around selling power related microtransactions. WOW is not - never has. Not in Asia and not in US or EU.

    Thats the point here that even you should start to understand now. PPL in Asia are still paying sub for WOW. It might be different model - but its still a sub. Blizzard somehow is acting like WOW is free to play in Asia and thats why they can add extra items that sell power in cash shops. Its not. And if you could understand Chinese or Korean you could go and see the exact same argument there where SUBSCRIBERS are not happy to be charged extra in ingame shop for a power that should be part of the sub.

    Sadly - so few ppl actually have friends in Asia or talk any of the language that they eat up what Blizzard is saying. The fact of the matter is that its just not true. There is a big movement in ASIA as well as US/EU that does NOT want to see cash shop on top of subscription. They want to see a hybrid model that offers either F2P or sub. Not both.

  4. #804
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Thats Not my post - lol. Ever bothered to read the name ? Now you are just trying to derail this topic cause you know very well that you can not defend ingame cash shop and subscription fee in the same game. No one can. Cause it has never happened. NO company in the world has been so stupid to think that can work.

    It will now work for Blizzard either. They can try to bring some sort of hybrid model. But charging sub and then selling stuff with extra currency in an ingame shop is just unethical in today's market. Not even SWTOR dares to prevent the players from login into the game to use items that they bought from the ingame cash shop.
    Actually Funcom tried a cash shop full of cosmetic outfits and the like with The Secret World. It didn't exactly have the most fantastic of launches ( albeit there were other reasons but the cash shop+sub was definitely a major factor). This was a game built up from the ground up and launched with an infrastructure of bleeding money from it's consumers through two pay walls until that was no longer sustainable. It lasted exactly six months before changing it's business model to B2P. Even with a base of die hard supporters,I don't really see a way in which Blizzard can expect a fully stocked cash shop and a sub unless they really are after a last minute cash squeeze from the old girl. Should a fully stocked cosmetic and "convenience" item shop come (which I expect it is) I totally believe Blizzard will change WoW's business model; my only fear is they will try the Funcom trick of trying to double dip us for us as much as possible before they do so. This "phasing in" of item selections doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that I'm wrong, but who knows.

  5. #805
    Quote Originally Posted by Roflifier View Post
    Touche, in that case, if they haven't been putting extra content into the game other than what comes with the boxed game and expansions, what do you call these patches with all this extra content (because to you, that's not extra content.)
    I'll reply to this, since I think I should have been a bit more clear about what I mean subscribe.

    I'll tend to subscribe every time a new content patch comes out, if that patch looks interesting to me. I'll never likely stay subbed for more than a month at a time. Blizzard clearly wants people to never-ever unsubscribe. That's not going to happen in my case as I'll just play through the dungeons/LFR raid maybe once or twice and stop subscribing again.

    If Blizzard wants me to keep paying month after month, then by adding in content once every 6 months that you can normally complete in a day, if not a week, is not the way to do it.

    I'm perfectly fine with just buying a single months subsciption time and then not coming back to the game for another 6 months and really Blizzard should be too. There's no way they could churn out content fast enough unless they were making an exspansion every month for someone like me to keep paying for it. I'm certainly not a typical player as I'd consider an 8 hour gaming session "normal".

    But for every person that's completed all the dungeons, raids, maybe done some pvp, pet battles and crafting, why would I keep on paying Blizzard to keep playing? The answer definately (at least for me), isn't to put some fancy new items in a cash-shop, behind a subscription wall.

  6. #806
    Quote Originally Posted by zaxlor View Post
    Did you have to keep paying gym membership to wear the t-shirt you brought there though? Everytime you wanted to wear that item, did you have to pay the gym first?
    I have to keep paying my membership fee or I can't get to my locker which I pay extra for. I can't use the tokens I bought to use a golf cart at the local course if I don't pay the green fee. There's a ton of places that allow you to pay extra for something additional in addition to what you normally pay.

  7. #807
    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkkun View Post
    8 million players are ignorant then. We've had in game pets and mounts for 5 years which could be purchased from the Blizzard web store. The only difference is it's easier to access by clicking in game now. If they were going to add the ability to buy loot then it would have happened a hell of a long time ago.

    If any company understands the effect on B2W games it's Blizzard. They've been able to watch other companies rise and fall due to transaction models that caused players to crucify them with subscription losses. Blizzard isn't desperate like these other F2P games.
    Yes - I think Blizzard understands B2W perfectly fine now after Diablo 3. I wonder if Jay Wilson has been moved over to WOW in game cash store. It sure looks like it.

  8. #808
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Thats Not my post - lol. Ever bothered to read the name ? Now you are just trying to derail this topic cause you know very well that you can not defend ingame cash shop and subscription fee in the same game. No one can. Cause it has never happened. NO company in the world has been so stupid to think that can work.

    It will now work for Blizzard either. They can try to bring some sort of hybrid model. But charging sub and then selling stuff with extra currency in an ingame shop is just unethical in today's market. Not even SWTOR dares to prevent the players from login into the game to use items that they bought from the ingame cash shop.
    I am certain that every MMO has been able to ban players. Banned players run into the same problem of no longer being able to use the items they bought. Therefore, every single MMO that allows you to purchase anything ingame for real money is guilty of this (including SWTOR).

    I'd also like to mention that ending your sub is your decision and you can reopen your account when ever and still have your items. I can buy dlc for a single player game and stop playing the game; the company hasn't wronged me in anyway I simply decided to stop.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kekekz View Post
    Everyone hated BC, everyone hated Wrath, everyone hated Cata and everyone will hate MoP. MoP will become the new worst expansion and Al'akir or BoT will become the new "last good raid" or something stupid like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    You're now blocked. Told you I was done with you. You want to pick fights over minute details as if this is the fucking presidential debate on a gaming forum.
    Enjoy.

  9. #809
    Quote Originally Posted by iperson View Post
    I hate to tell you this, but wow has had a cash shop for quite some time...
    No - Blizzard has a web store. And items there are not directly linked to real money currencies that can be used in WOW. If you don't see the difference... then I can't help you.

  10. #810
    Quote Originally Posted by iperson View Post
    I have to keep paying my membership fee or I can't get to my locker which I pay extra for. I can't use the tokens I bought to use a golf cart at the local course if I don't pay the green fee. There's a ton of places that allow you to pay extra for something additional in addition to what you normally pay.
    No body is going to pay a gym membership just so they can have a storage locker. You'd go and buy a box, or a trunk or something else. Or instead of paying to play WoW you buy a different game that dosn't have a subscription.

    Did you own that golfcart though? No, you merely rented it. Buying tokens or any other kind of Disney Dollar is irrelevant, you paid cash in some way to rent that cart. You're not going to want to rent that cart in the first place if you're not going golfing anyways, much like you're not going to buy those firey horns in the cash-shop if you're not going to play WoW.

    It's true that there's places with a subscription that offer other services, but they're not the sole way of getting at those services. I can go buy popcorn at the cinema with or without a membership. I can't play with those firey horns in the cash-shop if i stop paying a subscription.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    No - they have not been doing that for years. Web store items and Ingame cash store items are two very different things. If you can't see the difference then go back and read when Pardo said that outside resources should not be affecting the game. Web store items are not resources. They are items. Any currency that will be added to WOW and connected to real money IS a resource that will change the game for good. There is huge difference. But again - if you cant see it then I can see how you think paying sub and paying micro transaction in an ingame store is acceptable practice in the same game.
    They are the same damn thing. Making it more convenient for the user doesn't make it different. Blizzard has been continuously adding convenience by letting players stay *IN* the game. Dungeon Journal, Help System, Ticket System and now the In Game Store. All these steps allow you to never leave the game.

    Why should I as a player find it necessary to alt-tab, login to a website (with my authenticator) after I'm already logged into the game, then open my email client for the code, return to the website again and input the code, then wait for up to an hour in the game for my item?

    Don't you see how ridiculous all that is when I could just click it in game? Blizzard is evolving...you should try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Yes - I think Blizzard understands B2W perfectly fine now after Diablo 3. I wonder if Jay Wilson has been moved over to WOW in game cash store. It sure looks like it.
    You weren't required to spend a single dime in Diablo 3 nor did the loot you purchased have any effect on another player.

  12. #812
    Quote Originally Posted by sqicychiqotles View Post
    I am certain that every MMO has been able to ban players. Banned players run into the same problem of no longer being able to use the items they bought. Therefore, every single MMO that allows you to purchase anything ingame for real money is guilty of this (including SWTOR).

    I'd also like to mention that ending your sub is your decision and you can reopen your account when ever and still have your items. I can buy dlc for a single player game and stop playing the game; the company hasn't wronged me in anyway I simply decided to stop.
    Banned players have broken the code of conduct in the game. They no longer have right to play it.

    But its very good point that you should mention that you have a choice to end your sub. Thats exactly the point here. WOW is NOT just the current group of players. Its also new players that will just laugh at you and Blizzard if you say them they are going to have to pay for the box + the expansion + the sub JUST to get into the ingame cash shop that is offering the same as F2P games are now offering.

    If you thought WOW was loosing sub fast now.. just wait if you think this will be reality.

  13. #813
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Rewarding their employees, albeit very, very handsomely, would make them look greedy but keeping the money does not? If they were reinvesting it they would not still have it in cash.
    Who says they have it in cash? If anything, it's most likely in very east to liquidate investments. Interest rates are FUCKING terrible right now, why would Blizzard put 4.3bil in a way2save with .01% interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Whilst we cannot say for certain but perhaps if Blizzard had not managed to lose a third of their customer base in the space of two years, with further loses expected, then maybe Vivendi would be more keen on retaining ownership of ATVI or there might have been a buyer forth coming when they decided they wanted to sell.
    We can say for certain. You see, Vivendi fucked themselves over, and now need to dig themselves out of that hole. They asked ATVI if they could gut them, ATVI said "fuck no" but then their agreement where ATVI had a say ended so it can happen regardless of whether or not ATVI wants it to.

    Also, most of the 1/3 of the playerbase they lost was mainly in a part of the world where those 4 million people WEREN'T paying $15 a month.

    QUOTE=Pann;21778374] Why do you need the conversion rate? 29.99 is 50% greater than 19.99 do you think that inflation is high enough to account for such a rise? I bought TBC shortly after it was released and Wrath at midnight the day it was released, these are the actual rather than anecdotal prices I paid although I do believe that Wrath had a RRP of £24.99 but most shops sold it at £19.99 and still managed to make a profit. Thus the £29.99 Blizzard received, for Cata and MOP, less bandwidth costs is much higher than the £19.99 less box and DVD production, physical distribution, point of sale, the shop's profit margin, etc it received from Wrath and TBC.[/QUOTE]

    I need the converstion rate because if in 2004 39.99USD = 19.99GBP and then in 2010 39.99USD = 29.99GBP, then the price didn't go up at all. Again, I'm so ignorant to this, that that's why I'm requesting it.

    On top of that, your prices don't take into account tariffs and international trade taxes that may have exited in 2004 and 2007 but were changed or removed in 2008 (Look at Brazil and Australlia's game prices today, if those retarded laws were abolished in 10 years, games would still probably be cheaper than then they are now) that caused things to sway; and you've still yet to source a GBP MSRP for the game. (Here's mine: http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/01/...crusade-review)
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  14. #814
    Quote Originally Posted by Roflifier View Post
    K.
    I'm not even going to bother replying to you any more, as I think you're trolling. I'm sure you just said that Blizzard is free to spend it's cash how it wants on other products because it's a business, so you don't need me to back up my points with "facts" if you belive the same as me that my £9 a month get's spent on things other than WoW.

    I'm still not even sure what your point is. That it's okay for Blizzard to charge for the cash-shop items twice? That it's okay for DLC to only be accessed if you pay for the privilage to play it?

    As for having incorrect expectations about WoW, no, I know you've got to pay to play it online. If that's the case though, then the exspansions should be free, or the subscription should be. MoP will be the last WoW related product I buy from Blizzard untill they make it free to play. I've already spent more than enough money on it, as I mentioned each year I've played WoW that's 7 other games I could have brought.

    Is the content that WoW receives once a year worth 7 other games? To me it isn't any more.

  15. #815
    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkkun View Post
    They are the same damn thing. Making it more convenient for the user doesn't make it different. Blizzard has been continuously adding convenience by letting players stay *IN* the game. Dungeon Journal, Help System, Ticket System and now the In Game Store. All these steps allow you to never leave the game.

    Why should I as a player find it necessary to alt-tab, login to a website (with my authenticator) after I'm already logged into the game, then open my email client for the code, return to the website again and input the code, then wait for up to an hour in the game for my item?

    Don't you see how ridiculous all that is when I could just click it in game? Blizzard is evolving...you should try it.

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    You weren't required to spend a single dime in Diablo 3 nor did the loot you purchased have any effect on another player.
    Player will still have to alt tap to buy in game currency. Real question should be... why should a player that is ALREADY paying a sub then have to add real money into special currency account IF this was about Convenience? You know it has nothing to do with convenience even when you wrote these lines. PPL will STILL have to pay the sub and ppl will STILL have to alt tab.

    And the real difference here is EXTRA ingame currency that will be directly connected to real money outside of the game. Thats exactly what Pardo said they were trying to avoid with WOW. But if you can not see the difference... .then I can't help you.
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  16. #816
    Quote Originally Posted by ACES View Post
    You pay a monthly fee to be able to log in to your account and play; nothing more, nothing less.
    This is the flaw in a lot of people's thinking. Yes, you pay to log on, but as a consumer you're not supposed to TRY and get yourself boned. You're not supposed to bend over and say "here mega-corporation, have your way with me!". You want good value for your money, not for the company to nickle and dime you by putting development time towards things you have to pay extra for instead of towards the things your expensive sub fee is paying for.
    And to those ignorant individuals who don't realize 15 bucks a month is a lot of money for a video game, go look on Steam right now, see how much you can get for that same 15bucks. With the money you spend just to be able to log into WoW for a year (not including buying hte game, expansions, or the at times necessary account services), you could buy an entire library of games right now. If you want to argue that WoW and it's measly few patches a year has more content, and content of higher quality, then an entire library of games of your choice from Steam, then you're so poorly informed that you're not even qualified for this simple discussion.
    This isn't a game that's struggling to get by, so stop justifying the company making the game a worse deal for you.

  17. #817
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Still - you forget that those other games you are talking about are F2P games... not sub based games. They are BUILT around selling power related microtransactions. WOW is not - never has. Not in Asia and not in US or EU.
    No, I don't "forget." Here's an example: Hero Academy is f2p with micro transactions, but none of the micro transactions make you more powerful; but the Asian version of the game has both the same micro transactions that the NA one has AND power based ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Thats the point here that even you should start to understand now. PPL in Asia are still paying sub for WOW. It might be different model - but its still a sub. Blizzard somehow is acting like WOW is free to play in Asia and thats why they can add extra items that sell power in cash shops. Its not. And if you could understand Chinese or Korean you could go and see the exact same argument there where SUBSCRIBERS are not happy to be charged extra in ingame shop for a power that should be part of the sub.
    Yes, but the pricing is so different that it's comparing apples to oranges.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Sadly - so few ppl actually have friends in Asia or talk any of the language that they eat up what Blizzard is saying. The fact of the matter is that its just not true. There is a big movement in ASIA as well as US/EU that does NOT want to see cash shop on top of subscription. They want to see a hybrid model that offers either F2P or sub. Not both.
    In America? I'm sure, because the culture here is very greedy entitled assholes who want to have their cake and eat it to; but if you expect people to believe that a culture that's extremely different from ours has some huge "movement" going on on your word, then you're going to have to post some facts and documented sources and not just "trust me gaiz, i know"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    No - Blizzard has a web store. And items there are not directly linked to real money currencies that can be used in WOW. If you don't see the difference... then I can't help you.
    Yes. They did. Welcome to 2009: http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/11/04/blizzard-launches-real-money-in-game-pet-store/
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  18. #818
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    Quoted for fucking irony. Have a good read of this folks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    5 year old quote or 5 day old does not matter. The game has always been built on the same principle. If BLizzard is adding a cash shop then fine. But then they also need to admit the world HAS changed and you can not have both sub and Cash shop and still say its the same game. Cause it is not.

    As long as there IS cash shop coming we know that there IS coming the ability to buy power. That is just a given fact. Your logic of Blizzard saying something now about it will no longer hold water in 5 years time..... right ?

    It doesn't matter what is in that cash shop. Players can now take a clear stand and say no thank you by unsubing from the game and show that its not acceptable to act like nothing changes when you add ingame currency directly connected to real life money. And then expect ppl to also pay full sub and buy the expansion on top of that.
    As I already noted. Those words were already outdated by the TCG items before he even uttered them.

  19. #819
    Quote Originally Posted by Roflifier View Post
    No, I don't "forget." Here's an example: Hero Academy is f2p with micro transactions, but none of the micro transactions make you more powerful; but the Asian version of the game has both the same micro transactions that the NA one has AND power based ones.



    Yes, but the pricing is so different that it's comparing apples to oranges.



    In America? I'm sure, because the culture here is very greedy entitled assholes who want to have their cake and eat it to; but if you expect people to believe that a culture that's extremely different from ours has some huge "movement" going on on your word, then you're going to have to post some facts and documented sources and not just "trust me gaiz, i know"

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    Yes. They did. Welcome to 2009: http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/11/04/bl...ame-pet-store/
    Welcome to the fact that the WEB store does not give you any currencies inside WOW. It gives you items that you own... but you do not by resources for real money that you spend ingame. Again.. basic logic that you and all that think paying sub AND having ingame shop with extra currency is acceptable.

    And about Hero Academy.... Yes.. its F2P game. Thats my point. Its not SUB based with in game shop. I think you are slowly getting it even you do not admit it yourself.

  20. #820
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Banned players have broken the code of conduct in the game. They no longer have right to play it.

    But its very good point that you should mention that you have a choice to end your sub. Thats exactly the point here. WOW is NOT just the current group of players. Its also new players that will just laugh at you and Blizzard if you say them they are going to have to pay for the box + the expansion + the sub JUST to get into the ingame cash shop that is offering the same as F2P games are now offering.

    If you thought WOW was loosing sub fast now.. just wait if you think this will be reality.
    Why would you want the items if you werent paying for the game? It's not like you buy a Blizzard plush and then cancel your account and they send men to retake it. You're buying items for the game. If you're not playing the game you wont need the items anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kekekz View Post
    Everyone hated BC, everyone hated Wrath, everyone hated Cata and everyone will hate MoP. MoP will become the new worst expansion and Al'akir or BoT will become the new "last good raid" or something stupid like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    You're now blocked. Told you I was done with you. You want to pick fights over minute details as if this is the fucking presidential debate on a gaming forum.
    Enjoy.

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