You want to find out how EXPENSIVE 15 bucks for a video game is in 2013, then like I said earlier in the thread, go on Steam right now and see how much you can get for 15 bucks.
15 bucks can get you a lot more then a month's playtime on WoW.
If you want to argue that you're willing to part with 15bucks a month because it offers you a lot of time worth of entertainment/things to do, then fine that makes sense. But by video game standards, 15 bucks a month is pretty expensive, it's not a good deal for what you are getting (once again, by video game standards), so don't pretend otherwise.
Fight for better deals, don't justify getting ripped off. That's just falling victim to buyer's remorse.
I don't see anything about having to convert currency. This says to me I logon to WoW. Click the button for the in game store and click purchase.
Btw here's Rob Pardo's quote.
Q: Have you considered micro-transactions in WoW?
A: We chose to go with the subscription-based model instead of that approach. We've taken the approach that we want players to feel like it's a level playing field once they're in WoW. Outside resources don't play into it -- no gold buying, etc. We take a hard line stance against it. What you get out of microtransactions is kind of the same thing and I think our player base would feel betrayed by it. I think that's something else you have to decide on up-front instead of implementing later.
Q: But it might make it easier for the casuals to catch up....
A: They aren't going to be the ones spending the money.
Micro transactions for items that have no balance repercussions is not the same as being able to buy all your raid or pvp gear. That was said in 2008 btw, 5 years ago. The MMO world has changed.
It's not the price, I think I speak for a few people when I say it's the principle of it. It's like hidden fees, or some kind of legal scam. Pay to play the game and then pay some more because the first payment didn't count. I don't care how much it costs, that's bullshit. I'm going back to spending my couple hours a day on Guild Wars 2 or something until a new MMO catches my interest. Why invest any more time into WoW if they will continue behaving like this? Either go free to play or cut the crap! You can't have both a pay to play subscription model AND game store. Cosmetic my ass, last time I checked transmogrification was PART OF THE GAME.
The mount purchase is a scam. Buy the mount with a stolen credit card and sell it in game for gold. When the original owner of the card refutes the charges the mount disappears. The gold seller has your gold and has already re-sold it for profit. You lose the mount and cry to Blizzard. Blizzard notes your account but doesn't ban you for being stupid.
With an in game store this whole middle man transaction would disappear. Person buys mount with a stolen credit card and it shows up on their account in game. No typing in a code. No trading it for gold. Scam eliminated.
Blizzard didn't say they would sell gold in this store. Only vanity items. Mounts, pets, transmorg gear. Direct transaction purchases.
Without going into an insult phase as most of the other folk here are, it comes down to a few simple facts.
Fact 1) The existence of these items does not in any way shape or form change the balance, state of play, or gameplay for anyone that wants to only pay their monthly fee and nothing more.
Fact 2) Compared to most games, the price for many of the purchasable items are quite high, but again, offer no stats nor advantage over another player.
Fact 3) Blizzard does not have the time nor the manpower to send a person with a gun to every household of every wow player to hold it to their head, and make them buy what's on the store. There is absolutely 0 'forcing' that some people have been claiming.
So where does this leave us? Blizzard has kept their word that they are not putting in anything into the game to buy with real money, that gives a maxed level player an advantage over another maxed level player. Even if they go with the XP boosting potions, this still does not give anyone an advantage that does not already exist (Extra account to do refer a friend ect leveling boosts), and have no effect on a maxed level player.
In the end, the only thing this has done is those who have extra money they wish to give to Blizzard for a silly cosmetic item, can. Those who hate cash shops, are not in any way, shape, or form, effected by it's existence. So can we please stop saying the sky is falling and everything will end, I've played this game since Beta3, I've heard it more times than I can count, and it always leads into a pointless circle of bias accusations and factless claims.
However, many of us simply don't mind the idea of them putting up cosmetic vanity items for those willing to pay a bit into it. They are not forcing open my wallet with a crowbar, and them selling these items does not take away from the thousands of items I get the regular way in the game.
Even those saying that they are "wasting time" on these items don't seem to understand that more revenue means more money, and more money means higher chances for them to funnel that into the base game for the regular players. There is nothing negative about the cash shop until they start selling pay2win, which is not even on the horizon.
Look at youtube advertisements. First there were none, then they added some and now they are forcing it on everyone on every single video. This only happens because people accept it, you know... people saying "I don't care" or "it doesn't affect your enjoyment".
Sure, it won't hurt anyone right now and we can all just not care. But don't come here whining when Titan or the game after that is full of this crap.
This is like people defending DRM etc. on the xbox one. It has no benefits for consumers at all except maybe some prediction coming true that game prices will drop. Sure, then show it to the consumers how they benefit from it. I might buy your product so convince me! I am not going to simply accept everything these companies do just because "it doesn't affect me".
p.s. Not caring is one thing. Defending it is just illogical.
The business model is untenable. You cannot expect to charge a premium subscription and then expect your customers to purchase more on top of that. Buying the game once, then paying for extras (MMO cosmetic cash shop, DLC) is an acceptable business practice. Having yoru customers buy the game, then pay a monthly subscription, and then have a cash shop is extreme. I don't think even EA has gone that far.
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This is going to bite blizzard in the butt in the next game they make. I will never buy a blizzard product again. They are like EA now. only worse.
What happened to blizzard you ask?
They got a disease named Activision.
Ive been thinking about this. I have never ever seen any player requesting such a stupid thing as wanting to buy transmog instead of doing what you are supposed to do, go on a solo journey or atleast bring 2-3 friends and cross your finger for a rare transmog drop.
I cant honestly belivie that there are people like this. You are supposed to EARN your transmog, whats next, does this kind of players want to buy titles? Oh god.
I have a cool fist transmog which droped from a boss in Tempest Keep, a claw with flames on it. I always wanted to be able to dye it blue because blue flames are epic in my eyes, but sadly as more and more people are defending this crap, expect it to end up in the store instead of something you can earn in-game. "Oh its cosmetic" yeah do you have any idea what problems you are causing?
And Blizzard, you are so lame letting people use flying mounts from the store in the battlegrounds while i cant use my freaking flying mount on it! Its unfair.
And btw whats up with the free migration limit? Are you expecting me to migrate to a dead server without getting anything? Lol this game has already fallen into the black hole and its about to hit the singularity.
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OP spells at Ashran? Based on faction population? Yes, WODs gonna be the most awesome expansion ever! Propably gonna hit under 4 million sub mark.
Lets all go to the Blizz-store, Lets all go to the Blizz-store, Lets all go to the Blizz-store to buy ourselves some treats. Delicious things for geeks, the Pixels can't be beat. The Achievement points are just dandy, them sparkling mounts are quite handy. So Lets all go to the Blizz-store and buy ourselves a treat.
Other games offer a better value for far less.
A game that has a paid subscription shouldn't have content locked behind more reallife cash imho
If i pay 15 euros a month for a game, i expect that i can access all the content it has, even if that includes vanity gear or gear that is "just for looks".
the selling of pets/mounts on the blizzard site was already shady, but at least that was still mostly for charity.
Now they made an ingame shop and stash a lot of things in it that are locked for already paying customers, this is a really really bad idea imho.
Getting more and more glad that i have left WoW behind me some time ago really, this kind of news does not make me want to come back.
Currently playing MMO's: WoW --- Played MMO's before: Wildstar, Tibia, Meridian59, ultima Online, EQ, Rift, Lotro, GW2, AOC, WHO, EQ2, SW:TOR, ESO
How about my Warlock? I only made the character within the last few months, and when I got green fire I decided to go with the green Ruthless Gladiator set - how did I get that? By running BGs that I was going to do anyway and getting Honor that I couldn't spend on anything (unless I converted it or bought Motes of Harmony).
The only thing I would possibly qualify as "earning" is the fucking Bloodhoof Legguards for my DK, which still haven't dropped, despite a monumental number of runs that in the end developed RNG fatigue and a lack of desire to play the character any longer. THAT'S what "earning" gets you.
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