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  1. #301
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    I love the people who say the things you will be able to buy are only cosmetic, a blue post already said they are going to be selling extra roll on gear coins and other such things
    They are NOT selling extra "roll on gear coins". They are selling lesser charms. You are limited to buying 3 "roll on gear coins" a week, no matter how many lesser charms you buy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    Yeah it's Lesser Charms, but it is still NOT a cosmetic thing
    Just because it's NOT cosmetic does NOT mean it's NOT ok.

    It's about the underlying principle: Does this break the game or give those willing to pay real money for these items an inherent advantage over those who aren't, and as such does it diminish the gaming experience of those unwilling to pay extra?

    The answer is no. Completing the 25 odd daily quests a week it takes to get the coins you need to be "competitive" is not exactly that difficult. Plus there are a multitude of other sources for these coins anyway - just killing mobs rewards them so you need to do even less dailies than that. My main literally has about 4000 of the damned things - I lost count months ago. In short, if you are a player who is sufficiently competitive to make the argument that you "need" the 50 coins a week, you will easily acquire them without even trying.

    They are selling these as "quality of life" items for characters to achieve some semblance of progression given a very tight time budget - which pretty means ultra casuals and alts. Neither qualifies in the "competitive" category, and it doesn't matter how many people out there are buying these things, it won't make an iota of difference to any competitive aspect of WoW (disregarding those 2 guys on some random server who are competing for world first to get to 10 Million Lesser Charms of Good Fortune).

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathgoose View Post
    I'm sorry you just now discovered Blizzard is a company that is interested in making money.
    There are more ways than one to make money. Not every company has the same strategy. Just to list two extremes:

    1) You make a great game and thus you create a big fanbase that will probably buy your future games
    2) You make a mediocre/decent game that has lots of microtransactions

    The downside to 1 is that you might be holding back, you could possibly make more money
    The downside to 2 is that you might piss off a big portion of your fanbase and thus you could lose profit in the long run

    Anyway, I think many game companies have gradually shifted to option 2, and I wouldn't be surprised if we're going into a new videogame crash because of it.
    Many of my friends just don't bother buying any game anymore, just because it's too expensive. Even free to play games are expensive if you want to be competitive.
    And then there is the overpriced new consoles coming out while the PC only gets ports.

    Yeah, I really don't see a bright future ahead for gaming if this continues much longer. Which company was it that was raising the normal established xbox or playstation game price by 10$? Yeah, just because a game is popular doesn't mean you can charge extra and get away with it easily. It might gain you some extra crash, but it also hurts your image. And image is a way to make money as well.

    I think greed in the videogame industry might hurt the them eventually. Especially since they're raising prices of everything while many people aren't in such good financial situation anyway.

    But I agree with the OP, microtransactions exists because people use them. It's as simple as that.

  3. #303
    To be honest, I don't really care. Obviously it's wrong but it's the customers right to stop buying a product they find too expensive or using cheap, immoral business tactics.

    Thing is, they're losing subs fasts and it's their answer to keeping the income high as long as they can. More, their reputation is already kinda dodgy since they merged with Activision and it wouldn't matter to fans if they had devils horns and a goatee, the fans would still defend them no matter what. So they lose subs anyway and everyone other than fans already think their products are not as high quality as they used to be and that they use greedy business tactics and milking fools is hardly illegal so why not?

    Complaining about it doesn't really help anyone, voting with your wallet on the other hand does.. even if it's temporary and to send a message.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Lizbeth View Post
    To be honest, I don't really care. Obviously it's wrong but it's the customers right to stop buying a product they find too expensive or using cheap, immoral business tactics.

    Thing is, they're losing subs fasts and it's their answer to keeping the income high as long as they can. More, their reputation is already kinda dodgy since they merged with Activision and it wouldn't matter to fans if they had devils horns and a goatee, the fans would still defend them no matter what. So they lose subs anyway and everyone other than fans already think their products are not as high quality as they used to be and that they use greedy business tactics and milking fools is hardly illegal so why not?

    Complaining about it doesn't really help anyone, voting with your wallet on the other hand does.. even if it's temporary and to send a message.
    Thats what I intend to do. Will never look back as long as I know WOW has both ingame store and mandatory sub. For me thats very simple.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Thats what I intend to do. Will never look back as long as I know WOW has both ingame store and mandatory sub. For me thats very simple.
    Can we have you and the rest of the crowd who intend to "never look back" on WoW also never look back on WoW forums?
    Roll the bones!

  6. #306
    A lot of games have started going towards DLC. My crutch with Blizzard doing the same is that:
    a) Players already have to monetize to play
    b) The prices of Blizzard's DLC is extraordinarily high compared to pretty much every other game that does it. A single mount for ~$10-15??

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by Holtzmann View Post
    Can we have you and the rest of the crowd who intend to "never look back" on WoW also never look back on WoW forums?
    "We" can not Besides, what does it matter to mr. We (or is it mrs?) anyway. You don't have to be a blind WoW fan to post. Besides, not all who quit for good or temporarily did so because they hate everything WoW stands for. I still like to keep up with the lore and sometimes even play for 10 days when I get those free offers. I'm just not going to give my money to them any more as I don't think I would get enough for it. On the other hand, if they would cater to my every whim, I'd be happy to return.. but it wouldn't happen without WoW 2 coming out.

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    its definitely our fault.

    if people didn't pay for these items there wouldn't be a store, or it atleast wouldn't be as overpriced as it is right now. i dont understand how anyone can support a cash shop in a sub based mmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizbeth View Post
    "We" can not Besides, what does it matter to mr. We (or is it mrs?) anyway. You don't have to be a blind WoW fan to post. Besides, not all who quit for good or temporarily did so because they hate everything WoW stands for. I still like to keep up with the lore and sometimes even play for 10 days when I get those free offers. I'm just not going to give my money to them any more as I don't think I would get enough for it. On the other hand, if they would cater to my every whim, I'd be happy to return.. but it wouldn't happen without WoW 2 coming out.
    People who have left the game with the promise of never returning unless [something] happens still hanging around forums and making their dislike of the current game design known just baffle me. I understand you have the right to make yourself heard, but I cannot for the life of me grasp why would anyone willingly spend time arguing about games they don't like anymore. Specially when that does very little for the community itself beyond polarizing it even further.

    It certainly shows you're still interested in the game itself, but if you're not playing it and know your vision for the game is very different from where the game is heading, why bother with this? Why not follow things from a distance and come back when WoW 2 is released (or the game goes F2P, or any other condition for your return is fulfilled)?
    Roll the bones!

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    Mists of Pandaria:

    - Battlegrounds
    - Pet Battles
    - Dungeons
    - Heroic Dungeons
    - Scenarios
    - Heroic Scenarios
    - Arenas
    - Rated Battlegrounds
    - Brawlers Guild
    - Achievements
    - Normal Mode Raiding
    - Looking for Raid
    - Heroic Mode Raiding
    - Flex Mode Raiding
    Fixed that for you. like colors = same content. Basically the only new fundamental part of the game feature wise from Classic to now is Pet Battling, everything else is just an easier or different way of doing something we always have been able to do, I think its funny you even include the Brawlers Guild as a feature, now that I think about it at least its better then counting an "achievement" as a feature.
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  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by serenka View Post
    its definitely our fault.

    if people didn't pay for these items there wouldn't be a store, or it atleast wouldn't be as overpriced as it is right now. i dont understand how anyone can support a cash shop in a sub based mmo.
    Maybe it is not intended to be a cash store like F2P games? Prices are higher because they do not want everyone to use stuff in the store.

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Holtzmann View Post
    It certainly shows you're still interested in the game itself, but if you're not playing it and know your vision for the game is very different from where the game is heading, why bother with this? Why not follow things from a distance and come back when WoW 2 is released (or the game goes F2P, or any other condition for your return is fulfilled)?
    Obviously.. I dont have to play it or pay money for it to be interested in it And why dont you do the same? Like I said before it's a WoW forum for all sorts of discussions not a place where everyone should only say how awesome everything is even if it really isnt.

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Lizbeth View Post
    Obviously.. I dont have to play it or pay money for it to be interested in it And why dont you do the same? Like I said before it's a WoW forum for all sorts of discussions not a place where everyone should only say how awesome everything is even if it really isnt.
    Why don't I do the same what, exactly? I'm currently playing the game. Even back when I wasn't I stuck around because I stopped playing the game for non-game related reasons (no time to play and RL obligations), so I had a clear interest in having some game issues debated. For example, I read the forums a lot to try to get good tips on how to play my classes once I returned, as well as debating lore questions and occasionally griping about game design choices (no new dungeons this expansion and the ultra-focus on raids, for example).

    I'm not suggesting the forums should be a happy fun land of people agreeing that the game is great and nothing needs to be changed, but people who clearly disagree enough with the game's direction that they won't play it anymore very often bring little constructive feedback and a whole lot of bile.
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  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by autotrendauto View Post
    Players farm reputation for one or two months to become exalted and get a mount/equipment. Now in Blizzard Store, player buy those things directly without paying the time and subscription fee. I think the two situations are quite similar.
    One might argue that the mounts in the store would never have been designed (artists' time is not free) if not for the expected revenue from people buying them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holtzmann View Post
    Why don't I do the same what, exactly? I'm currently playing the game. Even back when I wasn't I stuck around because I stopped playing the game for non-game related reasons (no time to play and RL obligations), so I had a clear interest in having some game issues debated. For example, I read the forums a lot to try to get good tips on how to play my classes once I returned, as well as debating lore questions and occasionally griping about game design choices (no new dungeons this expansion and the ultra-focus on raids, for example).

    I'm not suggesting the forums should be a happy fun land of people agreeing that the game is great and nothing needs to be changed, but people who clearly disagree enough with the game's direction that they won't play it anymore very often bring little constructive feedback and a whole lot of bile.
    That's called stereotyping. Not paying money to Blizzard has nothing to with the relevance of points being made. In my case I guess you could say Im waiting for a change that may never come. Im not bitter about it and have other games on horizon that are more likely to be what I want them to be.

  16. #316
    The fanboyism is strong in this thread lol, people defending this stuff because they are a "company" that makes them entitled to earn money? sure it does but that doesn't mean they can do anything they want to make that money and it's ok. All of these "cosmetic" items would of been in the game before the blizzard store came out so they are essentially slicing of content that would of been included in the subscription fee before so they can make even more money.

    If I was say a pet/mount collector and that's all I cared about in this game I would rightly be pissed off at having to pay extra money on top of the subscription fee which pays for this stuff to be made in the first place because blizzard decided to get greedy and "double dip" with sub fees AND the F2P model and people are happy to let them get away with it so they will keep pushing the boundaries of what they can sell on this store.

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    Since WoW has a monthly fee already they should just put all of their effort into giving us access to everything without having to spend extra.

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    EVERYTHING in Business is ultimately the CUSTOMERS fault.
    Companies can only make money on schemes WE let them get away with.

    WE have the power. Problem is 99% of us are successfully indoctrinated to think "we need product-X RIGHT NAW!" by advertizements.

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    people had predicted long ago that they'd be the ones to have to kill their own game just to make their next titan project seem like a bigger success "we've corrected all the mistakes we made with wow in titan" and all the fanbois will buy the shit up

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