I cbf replying to everything in your wall of text but if you think random insults is the way to win your argument, you're quite wrong.
What I'd like to highlight, is the part about ilvl=skill. My point was quite clearly, that ilvl is NOT equal skill. And even if those 515+ healers were gemmed and enchanted, that still doesn't mean they know jack shit about playing their class, nor does it guarantee you that they don't die to the first pool of shit on the ground.
So really, just drop the BS. This isn't about me or anyone else defending anyone. Do you honestly think I give a shit about LFR, when I clear 13/13 Heroic every week? I can tell you that I don't. So there's no need for your personal insults kkthx.
They could just make it to where when you que, you get stuck in that spec that you que as. Like when you hit the que button, whatever spec you are in when you hit que is the spec that you have to be in when you hit "accept" to join the raid when the que pops (you can change out of the spec so you can do dailys while waiting for que to pop, but when it goes make it read what spec you que'd as and it has to verify the spec before it lets you in). Then, when in LFR make the ability to change specs greyed out--so people can't change specs while running LFR.
I know technology exists to do this because I have played beta for Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn and they have a very similar system to where you play as the class/spec you que in as and can't just up and change it when doing the dungeon. So this to me sounds like a GOOD thing that WoW could use for the future to make it so people don't get stuck solo-healing on fights.
I get that sure, you can just as easily not heal through it, but at the same time why should you waste your time having to force a wipe vs. people just playing as what they que as? I enjoy healing myself, but it totally sucks when the other healers switch to dps and you get blamed for the wipe or for certain people dying...yea it is just LFR, but it does get annoying feeling like you are carrying everyone else there because they can't step up to help do the job they signed up for.
LFR would actually run more smoothly if more people stuck to the role they signed up for (and didn't just go on auto-attack on a boss fight or switch from heals to dps or whatever the case may be). And for those who keep saying what's the big deal...imagine if it wasn't a skilled healer in the group, and imagine it was your group that continued to wipe because granted yea, you can kick the healers that switched to dps, but since this issue seems to be a growing one you might just keep getting stuck with bad healers who are trying and the other healers are switching to dps and aren't doing what they que for, thus wasting a lot of peoples time with needless wipes. I am just saying we have ALL had groups where the tanks didn't do the fight right, the healers were dps'ing instead of healing, and the dps didn't do the mechanics right (like switching to adds and causing a wipe). We all know the frustration of being the only healer healing the group, or maybe the only tank taunting the adds or boss at the right time, or the only dps trying to kill adds so we don't wipe. And we all know how it feels because we've all been in fail groups that just can't get it together and do the job they que up as.
An auto-kick would be nice, but sadly you will just keep getting the same type of people in your group. Blizz needs to fix the actual issue and prevent people from switching out of their role--it won't fix the baddies, but it would be a step in the right direction to teach people that just because they can que in as a healer for a fast que and then dps because they might be too afraid to heal that they need to start learning to play the role they want because it's not fair to put the extra stress on other players. Players who may actually want to get through LFR without wiping 10 times on an easy fight, or at least get through it without having to deal with the extra work to ensure they don't wipe because other people can't do what they need to do.
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Really, the solution would be either, a forced spec change mechanic so you are the spec you signed for when you enter - and if you don't have that spec, you can't answer. Or having a talent lock upon entering, making the player unable to change specc upon entering the looking for raid.
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Back to the topic: To make it clear, I love getting LFR done as fast as freaking possible and I assume that everyone else would prefer the same. The problem is, that you're just one out of 25 people and making the decision of going dps when queued as a healer and not communicating this out, won't always end well.
But from most of the posts it looks like the general attitude towards this, is that the fault partly lies with Blizz, for allowing players with no intention of healing to queue as healer. And that the rest of the blame lies with the people who do this, without checking with the rest of the group first.
The part about communicating should be fairly simple. The part about Blizz's queue policy is more complex. Cause as many people have already said, wanting to change from one dps spec to another, changing from dps to tank to avoid waiting for that 1 person etc., does indeed sucks.
I wouldn't be surprised, if we'll see some sort of fix to the queue system though.
A forced talent lock would be a crappy way to deal with this. Zoned in as DPS because you were doing dailies when the queue popped? Shit out of luck, you're DPSing. Tank left and can't find a new one? Well that tanking spec you keep as a just in case thing won't do you much good either. There's a Heroic geared Disc priest in the group and literally is nothing left to heal? Hope you like twiddling your thumbs!
Then just make it lock you to your role, not spec.
Regardless, if you hold the position that ilvl does not equal skill, then why are you arguing against an LFR queueing system that would be partly based on it? If you assume that such a method would invariably result in all of the healers being the worst healers imaginable, then why would you assume that the current system would be any better?
Also, if you don't care about LFR, then why are you so invested in this thread?
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For example: We're all in an LFR. One of the tanks leaves or gets kicked. Then we're all standing around, waiting for a new tank, because the mechanics still require two tanks.
One of the healers is a holy pally, with a prot offspec, or a resto druid, with a bear offspec. They offer to switch to tank, but they can't, because the system locks them as heals. I've been in LFRs, where we had to wait a ridiculous amount of time, for a tank to pop in. I recall one that I bailed on, after 25 minutes of waiting on a tank.
Or, would you simply suggest that a restriction be placed only on healers switching to dps roles?
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That's probably all we'll see. The only other thing I can think of would be a more clear depiction of a character's spec'd role while in the raid. The default raid panel would have to give a bigger visual cue or to show a role imbalance. There may even be a raid-warning style message to all players when a player leaves/goes offline/changes role.
Here's the thing... there will not be any auto-kick mechanics. That's far too discriminatory. Just because a casual bunch of Monday raiders have a hard time with Joe the shadow healer doesn't mean all of LFR should have to suffer. There are plenty of people who queue as groups and intentionally skimp a tank or a couple healers just to make the raid run faster. There are also plenty of hybrid players who do their fair share of both damage and healing simultaneously who are performing the role of two characters at once. Punish them? Definitely not.
As previously stated: Use the vote-to-kick option if you see a player abusing the system and they're not pulling their weight. Otherwise, stop complaining.
As I've said before, I do see the issue in locking people's spec and I'm not sure that's the right thing to do. Vote to kick is the obvious solution to many things but in theory it doesn't always work. Cause kicking someone requires 5 votes and while that's not a lot, are you really going to kick 5 out of 6 healers, cause they caused a wipe after not healing? I think most people would just rage at them and then continue, after making sure that they're actually healing this time. But having to wait for 5 new healers isn't going to speed anything up either.
About not complaining; that's not really a fair card to pull. Cause then that would apply to everything in this game, which I guess you could argue for. But if you've been "unlucky" with your LFR runs, feeling the need to kick several people or the same but in 5 man dungeons, you won't always be able to vote kick the second you wish to. If a person has done something really stupid - like ninjapulling 3 times in a row just "for the lulz" - then that person might be "protected" from vote kicks for say 1 hour or even just 15 mins.
If anything, I'd say that getting a queue boost impacted less on the group as a whole than queuing as healer with no healing spec can. The difference is, that when getting queue boosted, you make someone who didn't queue boost sit longer in the queue. It still didn't really affect the group though, cause healers are almost always instant and it doesn't take long to replace them.