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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    well 1 thing you have to remember is Thrall's initial plan was not to have Hellscream as a pernemant replacement - hence "Acting" Warchief

    Which is why Thrall chose him in the first place, not for his political savy but for his fiery spirit and his love of the Horde. So that he can keep the spirits of the Horde high to remind them they are strong, so then Thrall can in the meantime figure out Wtf is wrong with the elements.
    Needless to say, nothing in Azeroth goes according to plan

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    really? She meets Orcish/human/undead military advances into her lands with military action. Seems kinda typical for characters that are warrior-born
    Dont make me count all the dumb stuff she did. At the top of the crown being killing friendlies to free an enemy out of his millenium prison, setting off the Wardens after him wich ultimately causes Maiev (a better character than Tyrande IMO) to go insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    At the top of the crown being killing friendlies to free an enemy out of his millenium prison, setting off the Wardens after him wich ultimately causes Maiev (a better character than Tyrande IMO) to go insane.
    Illidian did help cripple the Legion/Scourge (more outa feelings for her then to his people but whatever). So it wasent completely stupid
    And Maiev is just as hot headed as Tyrande is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    being a hot-headed warrior priestess does not make her a moron, unless you expect all and every character to be perfect goody-two-shoes
    Hot heads are fine but Jesus Christ, Garrosh Hellscream, whom everyone likes to paint as an idiot, outclasses her in not only hotheadedness but intelligence as well. I'm not asking for everyone to be goody-two-shoes "Go'el"-type characters, that'd be awful, I just want to correct people that still cling to this backwards idea that in WCIII Tyrande was some "Savage, Intelligent, Wise, Independant" Leader, it's like they talk about how she used to be, and haven't even played the damned campaign themselves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    And they just cant let the Alliance takeover the horde, as the game has to continue. Imagine the alliance would takeover all of horde land. What would people do in battlegrounds after that event occured?

    And if you give back regions like HF the questing imbalance would go towards alliance. It's not all that easy. I think it is better to let the High King show his High-Kingness in this plot and to give <insert warchief here> the throne of ogrimmar.

    And if we see the upcoming events Furion mentioned, horde and alliance need to coexists in some form to stand against the incoming challenge.

    The strength of two is bigger than the strength of one.
    Game of Thrones would disagree. "What's the bigger number, 5 or 1?" "1. 1 army. 1 leader."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    "Savage, Intelligent, Wise, Independant" Leader, it's like they talk about how she used to be, and haven't even played the damned campaign themselves!
    so then going back to your examples.
    She chooses to lead assualts against humans/orcs. Why is that stupid? They are outsiders and invaders afterall. She is also the High Priestess of the Sentinels, should it be a surprise she meets force with force.
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    So, let's say the Alliance get the outcome they want. Orgimmar and Azshara are now occupied by the Alliance. The Orcs, Goblins, and Trolls are forced to retreat. Sounds great, although occupying that territory would require a lot of manpower and resources (since, you know, resources are a major issue for Org). But hey, newly conquered territory right?

    Good luck holding it when the exiled military might of the Horde makes the smart move of heading to the Undercity. Their best play would be to move as much strength as possible to Forsaken territory and then begin the push south. I don't believe the Alliance would have the strength to counter a full Forsaken, Orc, Troll, Goblin, and BE invasion in the Eastern Kingdoms while at the same time holding Kalimdor (and likely putting up with Tauren raids or laying siege to their territory).

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    You're presuming Lor'themar wouldn't change allegiances and sabotage the Horde fleet. You think he wants all those uncultured mongrels loitering about his very doorstep? He barely tolerates Sylvanas as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Dont make me count all the dumb stuff she did. At the top of the crown being killing friendlies to free an enemy out of his millenium prison, setting off the Wardens after him wich ultimately causes Maiev (a better character than Tyrande IMO) to go insane.
    I never liked Maiev. I think letting him go was a good idea. Hell his brother should have never jailed him in the 1st place. At less Tyrande is around. The just killed Keal'thas off as a insane betrayer. Keal was a badass in WC3. He is one of reason I play blood elves in WoW.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lumineus View Post
    You're presuming Lor'themar wouldn't change allegiances and sabotage the Horde fleet. You think he wants all those uncultured mongrels loitering about his very doorstep? He barely tolerates Sylvanas as it is.
    I do not know what you are talking about *looks guiltily off to the side*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumineus View Post
    You're presuming Lor'themar wouldn't change allegiances and sabotage the Horde fleet. You think he wants all those uncultured mongrels loitering about his very doorstep? He barely tolerates Sylvanas as it is.
    hey. dude. guess what. your not lor'themar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    do you remember how it was Garrosh that caused that and the rest of the horde were shocked by what he did, and now we are killing him and his orcs who caused it.

    You talk like you think the horde overall wanted to use the mana bomb on theramore, but it was Garrosh alone.

    And don't go there about how "Garrosh is the warchief so he represents all the hordes action" bullcrap, unless you want me to pull the Arthas card out of this.

    Because it was only Garrosh and his goons responible for carrying out the attack on Theramore. There wasn't a scenario about it or anything.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzoman20 View Post
    Because it was only Garrosh and his goons responible for carrying out the attack on Theramore. There wasn't a scenario about it or anything.....
    see, this is where the alliance really love to miss out details to suit there arguments.

    The attack on theramore was, at the disgust of Baine and Vol'jin, ordered by Garrosh, as as horde they were oath bound to follow his orders. But, they fought honorably, on the ground hand to hand against the alliance. There was even valid reason, given theramore presence in the barrens for the horde to have honorable combat against theramore and stop more bloodshed being spread across there own lands from the alliance.

    But, it was garrosh who used this as a decoy, using the rest of the horde as his decoy to have the mana bomb brought to theramore, which nobody but his kor'kohn, malkorok and the goblins knew about.

    The horde who fought hand to hand in theramore were doing so honorably. This is why, if you read the book, you'd know how much of a shock this was to baine and vol'jin for what garrosh did.

    Seriously have you even read the book. Are you basing your argument of that shitty little scenario?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    see, this is where the alliance really love to miss out details to suit there arguments.

    The attack on theramore was, at the disgust of Baine and Vol'jin, ordered by Garrosh, as as horde they were oath bound to follow his orders. But, they fought honorably, on the ground hand to hand against the alliance. There was even valid reason, given theramore presence in the barrens for the horde to have honorable combat against theramore and stop more bloodshed being spread across there own lands from the alliance.

    But, it was garrosh who used this as a decoy, using the rest of the horde as his decoy to have the mana bomb brought to theramore, which nobody but his kor'kohn, malkorok and the goblins knew about.

    The horde who fought hand to hand in theramore were doing so honorably. This is why, if you read the book, you'd know how much of a shock this was to baine and vol'jin for what garrosh did.

    Seriously have you even read the book. Are you basing your argument of that shitty little scenario?
    I've read it and I still fail to understand why you pull up this nazi cliche "we were just following orders" bullshit to completely shift accountability.

    Regardless of if they didn't know about the bomb, their participation was needed in order for Garrosh to drop the bomb under everyone's noses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzoman20 View Post
    I've read it and I still fail to understand why you pull up this nazi cliche "we were just following orders" bullshit to completely shift accountability
    nazi cliche... seriously? Dude, your own us soldiers do the same shit in the middle east under the same orders.

    Whatever, you don't want to try on the other shoe, you just want to jump around yelling 'no, horde is bad, horde is bad! *stamps feet*'. God, at least TRY to look over the bloody fence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    nazi cliche... seriously? Dude, your own us soldiers do the same shit in the middle east under the same orders.

    Whatever, you don't want to try on the other shoe, you just want to jump around yelling 'no, horde is bad, horde is bad! *stamps feet*'. God, at least TRY to look over the bloody fence.
    A bit off-topic, but comparing the atrocities committed by U.S soldiers in Afghan to the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany displays a complete ignorance of world history. Please find me the destabilization and genocide of a certain group of people being deliberately done by the U.S Armed forces so I can write my congressmen...

    Back to topic: Several of the Horde leaders knew Garrosh was a bad choice, but still followed him anyway. It wasn't until their own interests were being encroached upon that they decided to rebel against him.

    Im not suggesting the Horde is completly bad,I am simply stating that the accountability lies on their shoulders. They fucked up big time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzoman20 View Post
    I've read it and I still fail to understand why you pull up this nazi cliche "we were just following orders" bullshit to completely shift accountability.
    The whole "just following orders" is not bullshit

    There have been studies over it. Of what people would do when an authority figure tells them to - the Millgram experiment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    The whole "just following orders" is not bullshit

    There have been studies over it. Of what people would do when an authority figure tells them to - the Millgram experiment
    The milgram experiment does not factor the leader of the group completely shitting on the other members of the group and THEN barking orders at them.

    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFu4ever View Post
    So, let's say the Alliance get the outcome they want. Orgimmar and Azshara are now occupied by the Alliance.
    Strawman...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzoman20 View Post
    The milgram experiment does not factor the leader of the group completely shitting on the other members of the group and THEN barking orders at them.
    .
    What does have to do anything?
    People dont disobey authority for little to no reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    What does have to do anything?
    People dont disobey authority for little to no reason.
    It has everything to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzoman20 View Post
    It has everything to do with it.
    saying mean things is hardly the best reason to go out murdering and destroying things. Thats like me burning down LA because I didnt want to pay taxes
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