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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by HeedmySpeed View Post
    Nicely put. It still doesn't make sense to me why the consumer is trying to HELP the business in this TRADE.
    The business tries to get most out of it's service while the consumer should want to get the most for their money.

    The consumer is not following what the business/consumer relationship is suppose to do.
    Blizzard is doing their job of squeezing out every penny out of us now why aren't we squeezing everything out of our dollar?

    Really, you should be complaining more than anything.
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    there was a really good post I saw earlier this week explaining this phenomenon. basically people come to identify so strongly with a corporate brand that they take any criticism of it as a personal attack, therefore they defend the company/brand like their self esteem depends on it. I think it pretty accurately described a lot of posters here, where an impartial or rational view isn't really accepted, instead it seems to be about taking sides and defending your identity.

    the rational person would probably say, like you said, "I'm not going to defend blizzard's self interest at my own expense" but that's exactly what you see, because its not about blizzard taking advantage of them, or ruining their own game for profit, its about defending the blizzard name as if it were your mother or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chingylol View Post
    New character models = cash shop

    This isn't actually a bad idea, because only the people who WANT to have the new models for their toons can pick and choose which one. Everyone wins.
    or you check a box that says "use old models". it's a terrible idea.

    For example, I like my hunchback orc so wouldn't pay to have him updated, but I would definitely pay $15-25 dollars to have my human warrior updated with a new model. There's really no reason why Blizz SHOULDN'T do this.
    And what does $15 a month pay for? They have several million reasons not to do this.
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  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    or you check a box that says "use old models". it's a terrible idea.


    And what does $15 a month pay for? They have several million reasons not to do this.
    the 15$ a month is going towards all the awesome raid content you get to experience thanks to LFR

    which, as we all know, raids depend on LFR to even exist, because if LFR wasn't around they couldn't justify spending their extremely limited resources on that kind of content

    resources, being limited as they are, can't be diverted from LFR to these player models, therefor a new source of revenue is needed to fund them-- enter the cash shop

  4. #344
    If they decide to sell new models, that would be a big "fuck you" in their face from a lot of subs. Especially for 15-20$

  5. #345
    *shrug* Just another thing I wouldn't pay for.

  6. #346
    Apparently not everyone will be happy. I wouldn't pay for updated models, can't really see them with armor on anyways.
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  7. #347
    "Graphics" could also be considered cosmetic, are we going to be getting charged for getting updated new expansion zone graphics now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    This is a point I was trying to bring up in the other thread: Why are player models any different to store-mounts or store-helms? They're both just cosmetic changes that don't affect your game. But I can 100% guarantee that everyone who supports the cash shop would suddenly go nuts if Blizzard put new player models on there....

    Total double standards when it comes to something a person actually wants.
    As a person who supports the cash shop and would suddenly go nuts if Blizzard put new player models on there.... I agree with this statement, even though it basically makes me a hipocrite.

    But to reason - I don't think it'd go well with recruiting new players - yes, you can play this game if you buy all the xpacks and pay $15 a month. You can also look this awesome, but only if you pay another $10 for each character you start...otherwise you'll have to put up with the 10 year old models...

    What I think could be possible, would be to make the old/new models optional on the first login/creation of the character and just add the option to swap them to the paid race change. Everyone would be happy then.

  9. #349
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  10. #350
    I think the eventual new character models are what still keeps me playing. If they were introduced as a cash shop only feature I think it would make me stop playing the game for good after 7 years. I can justify the monthly fee because I find the time spent ingame worth the 15euros a month. However, having to pay for a fee on top of that to enjoy the character I'm playing (with the new models around I would imagine the old ones would look preety awful ) is a kind of expence I cannot justify, especialy now that money is realy short for me. I find it a little upsetting that I cannot own the mounts or pets in the blizz store, but I can play without them. Dont think I count still play the old models with the new around.
    Just my opinion, tho.

  11. #351
    How is updated character models supposed to make up for overcommercialization of the game?

    Cash shop is a pos and Blizzard can never unmake this assault on the spirit of gaming and RPG.

  12. #352
    I find it funny how so many people argue that Blizz would never put character models on the cash shop, where the same people are calling out people saying that there is no proof Blizz will add P2W type things on the cash shop. Like you guys have said, there's no way you can know they wont add the models to the cash shop. The basic assumption is that this shop is here to stay and it's going to get more and more items on there. What the items are, no one knows, are they all going to be irrelevant cosmetic stuff, I doubt it.

    People argue why is it a big deal? Because this is how stupid practices start and every other company jumps on it and we'll see it everywhere. Day one DLC is another example of something like this, now it's common practice which is because people excepted it. The more you guys except BS practices and are openly happy to let yourselves be charged more for stuff is when this becomes common practice. Yeah they're a business, they're aim is to make money, as a consumer our aim is to get stuff for the best deal possible. When you shop for anything else in the world you actively look for a good deal with good service, not purposely look to get screwed by a business.

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    I'm not currently subscribed to WoW but I am planning on returning at some point...that said, however, if Blizzard did release character model updates and charged for them via the cash shop, well, that would be it for me. People are saying that character model updates are purely a cosmetic thing, a vanity thing...they are not....it is a matter of updating quality. Yes, there is a cosmetic aspect to it because it's character design but on the other hand, the models we have now clip through armour, hell, some of them clip through their own bodies, they have limited animation and expressions and their textures are bland and stretched when moving but then, you're already paying a subscription for content updates and this is very much a content update, it's cosmetic in the same way that green fire for warlocks is cosmetic, or the shadowform updated look was cosmetic, or whatever other spell example you care to think of is cosmetic...if they charged for it via the cash shop it is purely exploitative. Would new players stick at the game if they found out they had to shell out yet more money for the models that look like they actually belong in a game they bought in 2013? Would they get them for free, but old players would still have to buy the update through the cash shop? No, there is absolutely no way that putting the model updates on the cash shop can be justified. Short term it might make them some money, but that would be offset by a massive loss of subs overall. If they put the character models in as part of the sub, they'll keep it level, hell, would probably even pull some back.
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  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniperpally View Post
    there was a really good post I saw earlier this week explaining this phenomenon. basically people come to identify so strongly with a corporate brand that they take any criticism of it as a personal attack, therefore they defend the company/brand like their self esteem depends on it. I think it pretty accurately described a lot of posters here, where an impartial or rational view isn't really accepted, instead it seems to be about taking sides and defending your identity.
    Or maybe they defend the way the game is right now because they LIKE the way the game is right now and if Blizzard were to listen to the complainers it would make the game shitter rather than better.

  15. #355
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniperpally View Post
    there was a really good post I saw earlier this week explaining this phenomenon. basically people come to identify so strongly with a corporate brand that they take any criticism of it as a personal attack, therefore they defend the company/brand like their self esteem depends on it. I think it pretty accurately described a lot of posters here, where an impartial or rational view isn't really accepted, instead it seems to be about taking sides and defending your identity.

    the rational person would probably say, like you said, "I'm not going to defend blizzard's self interest at my own expense" but that's exactly what you see, because its not about blizzard taking advantage of them, or ruining their own game for profit, its about defending the blizzard name as if it were your mother or something
    The other phenomenon that could be taking place along side the mutual identity between them and Blizzard is a slow realization that the last decade or so of their lives have been spent supporting a company that is now a shadow of it's former self. Accepting that Blizzard's current business practices are completely vile would mean admitting the greater part of the last decade supporting them and building their online WoW identity have all been in vain.

    At this stage in their "career" with WoW and Blizzard it has become a matter of going down with the ship, regardless of how badly the ship is being blasted to smithereens by its own crew. To admit these double dipping, money grubbing, greedy tactics Blizzard has adopted are a slap in the face would mean they have simply been wasting their time for all these years.

    There is no going back for them or rationally assessing their role as consumer. For all intents and purposes they must pretend to agree with what Blizzard is doing, even if they secretly feel ashamed for doing so. Going back to your quote, they are actually taking the attacks personally. They are acting as if they are actually the business and stock advisors guiding Blizzard on these decisions so that it alleviates the guilt from their beloved company. They would rather sacrifice their own integrity so as to soften the blow to Blizzard.

    It's really fascinating behavior.

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    And then Blizzard wonders why everyone left the game except cashers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chingylol View Post
    Character models are 100% cosmetic just like the helms. You don't gain stats and it doesn't make the game any easier or harder.

    It's actually the PERFECT item to sell in the cash shop because more then half the player base would purchase it.



    How? You're not buying anything that gives you an advantage in-game in any way at all. It's purely cosmetic just like the helms. You have people posting how 6-7 people in their EU guilds have bought helms already. If it was updated models it would be 4 x's as that. That's alot of extra money that Blizz would be stupid to pass up.
    Because I don't want to pay more money for something that should automatically included in the $15 I already pay.

  18. #358
    By the time that happens, hopefully TESO or Wildstar will be viable alternatives to WoW. I'd cancel on the spot.

  19. #359
    Quote Originally Posted by Desareon View Post
    Because I don't want to pay more money for something that should automatically included in the $15 I already pay.
    This topic is not directed at you, then.

  20. #360
    And then there's the people who WANT the updated character model, but cannot afford it

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