Where's Waldo?"...I mean Disc Priest. Here's a hint though: there's not even a white block on anyone's raid frames which means...BENCH ALL THE PRIESTS!
And "naive" isn't even close to an insult coming from you, especially since I never spoke about the power of Discs. I just merely mentioned that everyone conveniently ignores that a similar number of Paladins were brought for progression as well.
Edit: in fact, looking through Method's other videos, Ra-Den seems to be the ONLY fight in which Priest healers outnumber Pally healers. All other fights are 2Priest/2Pally, or 1Priest/2Pally, with varying representations of Druids, Monks, and Shaman. Of these, I didn't care to try and determine which Priests were Holy or Disc, btw. Interesting to note: one Disc (I am assuming) for Dark Animus
So, yet again, it looks like what we really need is less people pulling random numbers out of space.
Last edited by Spazzeh; 2013-07-22 at 06:21 AM.
Floopa just has no clue. You can safely ignore everything he posts. Disc is nowhere near as strong in 25m as it is in 10m. Several encounters in this tier were dominated from the start by holy. I looked at the logs everyday and some of the first logs posted in the first 3 weeks for hc kills were with holy priests without a single disc priest in the raid.
Disc is popular for a number of reasons, including that there are many more 10mans than 25mans and people automatically think that absorbs >>> everything else without actually checking that this is true.
The SS-nerf is a small drop in throughput for 25man disc priests, but since holy 25man is so much stronger now we are going to see an even greater HPS disparity next tier. Lets see if that gets people to really give holy a try rather than continue to be blinkered by the "absorbs are teh l33t" mentality, even in encounters where they actually don't make any difference realistically.
Personally I maintain and use both specs, so it really does not matter, except for the annoyance of constantly reforging.
I think that the SS nerf is actually going to cause real issues in 25 mans, as it leaves 0 room for error when someone is going into a SS rotation. So if anything happens that makes you move, etc, you're going to have wasted the cast. Disc will still be strong, of course, because it's Disc and bubbles and Barrier, but it's a source of aggravation.
I have a guy in my guild who does nothing but trash talk Holy and went so far as to change his offspec to Shadow to avoid having to play Holy ever (even on Tortos). So I think there will be some people who refuse to try Holy regardless of the situation (he literally told me that my spec doesn't exist ).
Then again, he says bubble spam in Wrath was the best fun ever. lol
People seem to underestimate the ridiculous amount of buffs that druids are getting.
I don't understand this nerf. The problem with disc is that it's extremely good in 10 mans this nerf relates more to 25 than 10. Disc throughput is on par or dare I say even a bit weaker than other non absorb classes. Do something about 10m disc not 25.
I agree that it seems like more of a 25man nerf. Our 10man team wouldn't need more than 10 seconds to pop Spirit Shell and shield us up for an incoming high damage phase, or during.
Just wait till you get legendary cloak in 5.4 (which you can get on day 1 as it is currently), throughput healers eat absorb healers for breakfast with that overpowered proc. Seeing it's results on ptr was just amusing. I'm expecting the proc will get more changes cause the way it rewards overhealing classes is just stupid.
Last edited by Isheria; 2013-07-26 at 09:37 AM.
Isheria - Method - Twisting Nether
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Scor...00000000111111 Disc has always been #1/#2 in 25 man HC and http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Scor...00000000111111 #1/#2 (briefly) in 10 man HC.
Agreed with Isheria. The Spirit of Chi-ji proc is stupid for OHing classes like MW, Resto Druids + Shaman. Enforces the "uplift for 80% overhealing" even more, which is bad IMO.
Usually the whole exploit to rank thing is more true of dps but even then we have a few number one and top ten ranks on fights that those people just did their rotation they didn't get any special buffs and we didn't kill it especially fast either.
Maybe top 3 in most cases are the way you assume but definitely not top 100
5.4 will shake things up in either sense mixed with what Isheria has been saying about the cloak but as to whether it goes live or not is another question but hoping there is more/all fights where Holy is a viable option without gimping progression or playing 2nd fiddle to disc.