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  1. #41
    You'll be going for 18500ish haste with the amplification trinket (Obviously less haste with a thunderforged version/heroic/heroic thunderforged version).

    I fear retribution is getting a nerf once 25man testing starts though. Our aoe is far too powerful, and will be even more ridiculous when the legendary cloak actually works (Scaling down pretty much breaks the proc rate on PTR currently).

  2. #42
    Are we really that good on AOE? I read of 2 PPM on the cloak. And the 4T16 Bonus procs quite nice, but I won't be having 4T16 for a while.
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  3. #43
    Yeah, our single target is competitive (Read; Not bottom), but our aoe is extremely good (Hell, our cleave is even good now apart from council style fights where mobs stay alive for ages). Either blizzard will nerf our aoe, make it our niche and nerf single target, or go full retard and destroy the spec like they did windwalker monks in 5.2 first week (huge nerf to stance %dmg).

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    Just as a reminder.
    Our aoe has the highest potential of all specs next tier (thanks to 4set and Divine Purpose working together), now having the highest potential doesn't mean shit, really.
    Think about it, we need to hit 4+ targets, that's 4 targets being inside a 8 yard aoe and those 4+ targets living long enough to make our magic do it's bling bling...
    It's all promising and while it's unlikely that we're gonna see this tier going to make us gods it still provides us with a niche previously given to demo locks alone, I agree with Dakeshi though. If they do decide to adjust our numbers midpatch (which I suspect they will) they'll either nerf the chance on hit of the 4set, which makes it completely useless in any single target fight (or encounters where melee cleave/aoe isn't viable) which will indirectly force us to use our current 4set tier or just go with 2set T16 and offset items if we got higher ilvl or better itemized options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    Think about it, we need to hit 4+ targets, that's 4 targets being inside a 8 yard aoe and those 4+ targets living long enough to make our magic do it's bling bling...
    what


    Everyones aoe is potential. The difference is that everyone else requires insane rng or cooldowns while we require very minor rng (2x 25% procs able to proc off of each other+chain proc).

    Council style fights is where our weakness is. (Think Council of Elders/Paragons of the Klaxxi versus Nazgrim/Malkorok. There's a huge difference between them) Council of Elder dps nowadays means nothing as most guilds just stack them up and aoe their guts out (Where we're still far behind several other specs).


    Gonna play around with Amplification trinket+Non-CD reduction trinket, as the CD reduction trinket may be a bigger dps increase for warriors (Normal version anyway)

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    my point is that ret aoe isn't really "explosive" meaning we get a bigger benefit of things staying alive for longer, mostly because of T16 4set.
    If we ever see a wind lord whatever his name was fight again (the one after Garalon in the klaxxi raid) you'll see the effects of T16 4set + Divine Purpose.
    Since our aoe has no cd and we can pretty much sustain that aoe forever the fights with consistent aoe is going to be good (assuming we can get range to everything), warlocks, dks, warriors (bladestorm) and so on all have their aoe somehow tied to a cooldown which ret won't have with 4set T16.

    You say council is our weakness NOW, yeah... but I doubt it'll be with 4set T16 and DP and we're actually able to hit 3-4+ mobs with Divine Storm.
    Like I said (and you briefly) our aoe isn't tied with cooldowns when we have T16 4set, that puts us in a unique place which is going to make us strong.
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    I still dont get what youre trying to say or if youre arguing for the sake of arguing

    if klaxxi turns out to be a "stack and aoe" fight itll be a disppointment and the iron qon of this tier (read; a joke). A proper council fight was council of elders first week of progress where you couldnt stack and aoe.

    it bring our weakspot doesnt mean it'll be shit. We just wont yolotop deeps

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    My point, ret aoe with 4set and DP has no time limit due to cooldowns which most (if not all) classes have.
    And yes, during progress it's a lot more strict about what you can allow yourself to do. Like the first week(s) of this tiers council fight, now that we're later on we pretty much stack up and aoefest it. But on fights with Tortos like adds, (bats spawning everywhere often and numerous enough) ret will shine because our aoe isn't (won't be) limited by say metamorphesis, combustion spreading, bladestorm and so on.
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    So pretty much what I said? Our aoe is too strong --> council fights are our weakness

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    Quote Originally Posted by etsumii92 View Post
    So pretty much what I said? Our aoe is too strong --> council fights are our weakness
    Depends on how the specific council encounter works but yeah, tho that goes back to our limitations due to range and not the lack of aoe potential.
    Anyways lets end this here :P
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  11. #51
    Seems like our tier set is really wel itemized, with every item having haste or mastery and only 1 item with crit. whether we go with gloves or legs for our offset depends on how much hit we can ditch. i think our offset will be the gloves, because they have 1 less blue socket.
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    4) getting charms faster is also not pay2win. getting those is easy, but not everyone has the time or want for dailies.

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    Looks like we're only a few weeks away: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/106...Soon-8_13_2013

    Have they said which bosses will be dropping which tier pieces?
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  14. #54
    I've been attempting to throw together a BIS list for T16 using the heroic versions of the list on page 1 (Thanks Bear for putting that up). First time making a list so I'm not sure how accurate I'll be but assuming 8% amplification by the heroic version of the trinket the shoulders off the 2nd boss look to be a decent offset piece. Can reforge most of the crit we end up with into hit/exp and I had just over each cap by a few points. 50 points over on exp and 12 points over on hit.

    Just to make sure; the amplification trinket doesn't increase Crit rating just crit damage?

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