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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorise View Post
    The fights are largely spread adds which hurts Survival
    How does spread adds hurt Survival? Survival should be our best spec to handle that situation (strong "dot" and it doesn't hurt much from a pet running around between adds).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beace View Post
    How does spread adds hurt Survival? Survival should be our best spec to handle that situation (strong "dot" and it doesn't hurt much from a pet running around between adds).
    Spread to me means you can't multi- multi won't hit them as they are too far apart.

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    I'll probably be favoring BM but we have to see the final outcome of 5.4 buffnerfs ...

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    I'm curious why MM performs better than BM. AFAIK, there is no obvious buff&nerf to MM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenyatta View Post
    Spread to me means you can't multi- multi won't hit them as they are too far apart.
    It does to me as well. I still don't see how that's favorable to BM compared to survival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beace View Post
    It does to me as well. I still don't see how that's favorable to BM compared to survival.
    Because Survival's multidot power largely comes from using Spread to maintain Stings and not the extra globals on manual casting Sting between multiple targets.

    Norushen has a bit of AoE but most of the fights are spread short lived adds with the encounters having more emphasis on single target damage. You'll get better results by just tunneling down a target with raw single target output unless you're a Warlock or Boomie who can inflate their single target by multidotting. Even on an encounter like Dark Shaman which is great for multidotters, Survival's multidot power still isn't that strong and doesn't make up for its single target weakness. Our entire class is doing poor atm but Survival and Marks are basically dumpster tier until we see damage buffs and rotational improvements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorise View Post
    Because Survival's multidot power largely comes from using Spread to maintain Stings and not the extra globals on manual casting Sting between multiple targets.

    Norushen has a bit of AoE but most of the fights are spread short lived adds with the encounters having more emphasis on single target damage. You'll get better results by just tunneling down a target with raw single target output unless you're a Warlock or Boomie who can inflate their single target by multidotting. Even on an encounter like Dark Shaman which is great for multidotters, Survival's multidot power still isn't that strong and doesn't make up for its single target weakness. Our entire class is doing poor atm but Survival and Marks are basically dumpster tier until we see damage buffs and rotational improvements.
    That's going by the assumption that BM single target is way ahead of SV, which it probably is in 5.3. But 5.4 hasn't seen any number tuning yet, so there's no telling how it'll end up. Spread targets in general still favor survival over BM, simply because survival can gain dps by multi-dotting (even if you have to spread it without multi-shot), while BM gets nothing in that situation.

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    FL - MM, DS - SV, MoP - BM. So it seems that MM will be on top on next tier

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    Blizzard has even said that while they have already planned the Stampede adjustments, they haven't finished tuning DPS for 5.4, so still plenty of time to see Hunter DPS increase.

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    Or it's plenty of time to do nothing for us. As usual

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenyatta View Post
    Spread to me means you can't multi- multi won't hit them as they are too far apart.
    That affects all hunter specs, not just survival, beast cleave is even worse in that regard, and mm remains equal to sv in that department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzidek View Post
    FL - MM, DS - SV, MoP - BM. So it seems that MM will be on top on next tier
    MM won't be top unless they buff it by 10-15%, which they won't because then it will be op in pvp. BM or SV, leaning towards SV atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfk View Post
    How is that any different from just buffing aimed shot? your theory is irrelevant
    Blizzard won't buff aimed shot simply due to pvp, we all know it. Unless they go chaos bolt road and apply a damage nerf just for pvp (unlikely).

    Chimera shot and steady shot seem more likeable to get buffed due to it not increasing your burst by a huge amount.

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