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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    "BIG GOVERNMENT" unless you describe what the fuck that actually means I will have to say you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. because I fail to see how regulations on businesses and healthcare for the general public are a giant foot in the ass of personal freedom. unlike, ya know, telling gays they can't marry or telling a woman she doesn't have the choice to an abortion. I guess, freedoms for things you care about.
    And that is your problem. You only see what you want to see. Spend some time, take a long hard look at what the liberals are ACTUALLY doing and see if you agree.


    Regulating a business takes away the individual right of the business owner to run his company as he sees fit. Socialized medicine is forcing healthy people to pay for sick people. Forcing you to get insurance or pay penalty to be alive is taking away your right of choice. We needed healthcare reform, it was a broken system, ObamaCare was not the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    Now that's just condescending. Don't try to pretend that you actually care about my quality of living. Far as I can tell, you just hate my way of life and can't stand the thought of it.

    If you actually cared about us, you'd realize that we're happy with the way we live. We chose it, after all.
    Does this apply to every situation that exists and ever has existed? Generally speaking I would agree, but there are certain situations where states rights can be bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    Now that's just condescending. Don't try to pretend that you actually care about my quality of living. Far as I can tell, you just hate my way of life and can't stand the thought of it.

    If you actually cared about us, you'd realize that we're happy with the way we live. We chose it, after all.
    Does this apply to every situation that exists and ever has existed? Generally speaking I would agree, but there are certain situations where states rights can be bad.
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  3. #403
    Quote Originally Posted by Kapadons View Post
    And that is your problem. You only see what you want to see. Spend some time, take a long hard look at what the liberals are ACTUALLY doing and see if you agree.


    Regulating a business takes away the individual right of the business owner to run his company as he sees fit. Socialized medicine is forcing healthy people to pay for sick people. Forcing you to get insurance or pay penalty to be alive is taking away your right of choice. We needed healthcare reform, it was a broken system, ObamaCare was not the answer.
    Way to selectively respond

  4. #404
    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    so this is nothing but your opinion on the matter, good. I'm sure I can buy some real nice shoes with these 2 cents.
    Isn't that what all of this is? Your opinions vs mine? Liberal opinions vs conservatives. You seem to have an anger issue or a lack of how to "debate" with someone. I wish you a very fond farewell. Good luck to you and yours.

  5. #405
    Quote Originally Posted by Kapadons View Post
    And that is your problem. You only see what you want to see. Spend some time, take a long hard look at what the liberals are ACTUALLY doing and see if you agree.
    I have, and shockingly, I do.

    Regulating a business takes away the individual right of the business owner to run his company as he sees fit. Socialized medicine is forcing healthy people to pay for sick people. Forcing you to get insurance or pay penalty to be alive is taking away your right of choice. We needed healthcare reform, it was a broken system, ObamaCare was not the answer.
    you're right, Obamacare is weak sauce to what we actually needed. we have our stated rights, we have the constitution to tell us what our rights and freedoms are, telling a boss to not pollute the environment and pay his workers a better salary is a boon to the health and freedom of everyone. same goes for paying to help others in their medical costs when it comes around and helps you as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapadons View Post
    Isn't that what all of this is? Your opinions vs mine? Liberal opinions vs conservatives. You seem to have an anger issue or a lack of how to "debate" with someone. I wish you a very fond farewell. Good luck to you and yours.
    hey, you were the one who pulled the "it's pointless to talk to you about this" card first pal. don't get all high and mighty on me now.
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  6. #406
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Way to selectively respond
    The problem is that I don't have a single issue with gays and how they live their lives. But I do think (as does Obama) that we cannot force religious institutions to marry gay couples. We can only force governments to recognize civil unions of marriage. I don't condone abortion but don't force others to not have one. Until it crosses the agreed upon threshold of becoming a person. 24 weeks or (20 weeks in Texas). It was a compromise. Some people want no abortions, some want unending abortions. There was a compromise made from both sides and I find that works best.

    So there wasn't much of a reason for me to respond to that.

    I don't pretend to like nor do I advocate every conservative or their political views. I wish you would all do the same.

  7. #407
    Quote Originally Posted by Kapadons View Post
    The problem is that I don't have a single issue with gays and how they live their lives. But I do think (as does Obama) that we cannot force religious institutions to marry gay couples.
    completely and utterly false.
    I don't pretend to like nor do I advocate every conservative or their political views. I wish you would all do the same.
    what makes you think we don't?

  8. #408
    Quote Originally Posted by Kapadons View Post
    The problem is that I don't have a single issue with gays and how they live their lives. But I do think (as does Obama) that we cannot force religious institutions to marry gay couples. We can only force governments to recognize civil unions of marriage. I don't condone abortion but don't force others to not have one. Until it crosses the agreed upon threshold of becoming a person. 24 weeks or (20 weeks in Texas). It was a compromise. Some people want no abortions, some want unending abortions. There was a compromise made from both sides and I find that works best.

    So there wasn't much of a reason for me to respond to that.

    I don't pretend to like nor do I advocate every conservative or their political views. I wish you would all do the same.
    Whos trying to force people to marry gays?

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    Furthermore why should wen have to compromise on their rights just because someone things they shouldn't have them at all?

  9. #409
    For most of my life I considered myself a conservative American. I was in the military so I certainly believed in nation defense and think responsible spending is the right path. But lately the term has become more about getting rid of abortion rights, being super religious, finger pointing about who is a commie or socialist, and in general being movement of "no to everything" that I couldn't stand it anymore. It got me looking around and becoming a lot more liberal. But I don't think that I changed all that much, but more that the term in the US slide so far right that I fell out of it. Willing to bet in most other Western nations I would be very very conservative. But in the States.. these days.. lol.. no way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Where the fuck did this come from? Srsly.
    You're trying to tell me that you care about the happiness of conservatives in Indiana? No. Not buying it. I'm sure you'd rather see us cease to exist, were the option available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Does this apply to every situation that exists and ever has existed? Generally speaking I would agree, but there are certain situations where states rights can be bad.
    Not every situation. Obviously we don't want states violating basic human rights. There has to be a line somewhere. But that line should not include forcing legislation on populations that don't support it.

  11. #411
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    You're trying to tell me that you care about the happiness of conservatives in Indiana? No. Not buying it. I'm sure you'd rather see us cease to exist, were the option available.
    I care about the free exercise of the rights and propserity of Americans regardless of their state or political affiliation. Now of course I'd rather there be fewer conservatives but that's not exactly crazy or evil.

  12. #412
    Quote Originally Posted by OrlandoGamer View Post
    I've kinda noticed on many threads on this forum, there seems to be a SERIOUS trend towards strong leftism/liberalism. (Maybe because lots of euros here)

    Not saying that's bad, my family's pretty liberal, but I guess I lean right myself, I'm more patriotic, I guess....where do you go politically if you HAD to choose one of the two? Just want to check where most gaming freaks lean
    If you really were patriotic, as in you held loyalty towards the people of your country rather than the few powerful people that control it, you would not be a Republican.

    But it seems you are rather content to smile at us, tell us you're patriotic while you carelessly piss on all people in your country who have gotten the short end of the stick and are victims of the people actually in control.

    Now that I have said my piece, let me step back and allow you and your republican buddies to go back to laughing at that poor cancer patient who can't afford treatment, medication and screening costs who doesn't deserve dignity when he walks into a hospital.

  13. #413
    Quote Originally Posted by Vokal View Post
    If you really were patriotic, as in you held loyalty towards the people of your country rather than the few powerful people that control it, you would not be a Republican.

    But it seems you are rather content to smile at us, tell us you're patriotic while you carelessly piss on all people in your country who have gotten the short end of the stick and are victims of the people actually in control.

    Now that I have said my piece, let me step back and allow you and your republican buddies to go back to laughing at that poor cancer patient who can't afford treatment, medication and screening costs who doesn't deserve dignity when he walks into a hospital.
    Really? What a moronic post you made.

  14. #414
    Quote Originally Posted by Vokal View Post
    If you really were patriotic, as in you held loyalty towards the people of your country rather than the few powerful people that control it, you would not be a Republican.

    But it seems you are rather content to smile at us, tell us you're patriotic while you carelessly piss on all people in your country who have gotten the short end of the stick and are victims of the people actually in control.

    Now that I have said my piece, let me step back and allow you and your republican buddies to go back to laughing at that poor cancer patient who can't afford treatment, medication and screening costs who doesn't deserve dignity when he walks into a hospital.
    Yay, another poor generalization. I won't speak for everyone, but most people I talk to in my (highly conservative) area actually don't have much, if any problem with the idea of socialized medicine. Provided it's not such a high tax that it affects our ability to make ends meet, of course. Obamacare, however, isn't socialized medicine. It took a crappy medical system and made it even worse.

  15. #415
    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    completely and utterly false.

    what makes you think we don't?
    What is false about it? Obama did say we can't force religious institutions to marry people. I agree.


    Furthermore why should wen have to compromise on their rights just because someone things they shouldn't have them at all?
    I'm confused. Did you mean women rights? I think the conservative line is that the fetus has rights. They don't advocate the loss of women's right to abortion but believe the fetus' right to exist supersedes that. And that is where that grey area comes in for alot of poeple. At what point is it a 'person" and not just a mass of cells. Many would argue that it isn't a person until it has been birthed while others argue it is one from conception. The medical line was 24 weeks. Now been pushed to 21 weeks due to a baby being born and living that early.

    I don't advocate the loss of a women's right to choose to have an abortion, but I tote the medical line that once it is a viable human that killing it would be tantamount to murder. As did Roe V Wade. I think Arkansas is the only state with a current outright abortion ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I care about the free exercise of the rights and propserity of Americans regardless of their state or political affiliation. Now of course I'd rather there be fewer conservatives but that's not exactly crazy or evil.
    Not that I'm accepting your claim of altruism, but why do you assume your lifestyle is the "correct" one? I personally realize that my beliefs are not the only path to happiness and prosperity, and as such I do not try to force them on outsiders. Why is it so hard to accept that we're happy with our choices? Or that we would be unhappy with yours?

  17. #417
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    Not that I'm accepting your claim of altruism, but why do you assume your lifestyle is the "correct" one? I personally realize that my beliefs are not the only path to happiness and prosperity, and as such I do not try to force them on outsiders. Why is it so hard to accept that we're happy with our choices? Or that we would be unhappy with yours?
    I have no interest in making every state like Washington.

  18. #418
    Quote Originally Posted by Kapadons View Post
    What is false about it? Obama did say we can't force religious institutions to marry people. I agree.
    I read that wrong, apologies.

  19. #419
    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    Yay, another poor generalization. I won't speak for everyone, but most people I talk to in my (highly conservative) area actually don't have much, if any problem with the idea of socialized medicine. Provided it's not such a high tax that it affects our ability to make ends meet, of course. Obamacare, however, isn't socialized medicine. It took a crappy medical system and made it even worse.
    And that is where the problem with me lies. The ACA gives huge subsidies to insurance companies to basically keep doing what they are doing. The middle class, who can't afford insurance but make to much are still getting pissed on, to the tune of 29millon people from the last liberal data I saw. It isn't "free" healthcare for everyone as was the general thinking.

    I did like the mandate about children and preexisting conditions. I did like the one about kids being allowed to stay on their parents plan. These were good moves IMO.

    But being against ObamaCare makes you a nazi, a racist, a bigot, or hate all poor people. We aren't even allowed to have a debate on the merit of the law anymore. It's sad.

  20. #420
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidatom View Post
    Really? What a moronic post you made.
    The following is from a post you have made:

    "That's funny because I think that democrats and their progressive agenda is the disease."

    Theres pages and pages of you saying the exact same thing.

    I am not sure what to make of someone accusing me of being "moronic" when they themselves oppose basic women's rights, basic marriage rights, basic workers' rights and the ability of those who cannot and do not do well in life to atleast not face humiliation and indignity when they go to a hospital to, you know, not die painfully (or worse).

    I would laugh at the sheer comedic irony here if it weren't so damn sad.


    EDIT: Forgot to add basic marriage rights.
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