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  • Sylvanas Windrunner, for the Alliance!

    13 4.96%
  • Sylvanas Windrunner, for the Horde!

    63 24.05%
  • Lor'themar Theron, for the Alliance!

    19 7.25%
  • Lor'themar Theron, for the Horde!

    62 23.66%
  • Tyrande Whisperwind, for the Alliance!

    19 7.25%
  • Tyrande Whisperwind, for the Horde!

    2 0.76%
  • Vereesa Windrunner, for the Alliance!

    41 15.65%
  • Vereesa Windrunner, for the Horde!

    4 1.53%
  • None of them.

    39 14.89%
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  1. #21
    Alleria Windrunner, for the Alliance!



  2. #22
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    Lor'themar for Warchief. He's got to be the most badass and non-OP Elf in Warcraft history.
    You don't create "justice" by destroying. That includes buildings, cars, or the careers of the people you want "justice" for.


  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    Alleria Windrunner, for the Alliance!
    Hold ya horses; she's been away since the second war; we don't know if she'll side with the traitorous 'High Eves' yet- for all we know she'll still be loyal to Silvermoon!

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    Hold ya horses; she's been away since the second war; we don't know if she'll side with the traitorous 'High Eves' yet- for all we know she'll still be loyal to Silvermoon!
    The High Elves traitors? For the love of God!

    The traitors are those who reneged on their customs, allied with their staunch enemies and corrupted their own race for ever, that is, the blood elves ...

    For Alleria, the Quel'dorei and the Alliance!


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    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    Hold ya horses; she's been away since the second war; we don't know if she'll side with the traitorous 'High Eves' yet- for all we know she'll still be loyal to Silvermoon!
    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    The High Elves traitors? For the love of God!

    The traitors are those who reneged on their customs, allied with their staunch enemies and corrupted their own race for ever, that is, the blood elves ...

    For Alleria, the Quel'dorei and the Alliance!
    Now now, can't we settle this over a pint?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    The High Elves traitors? For the love of God!

    The traitors are those who reneged on their customs, allied with their staunch enemies and corrupted their own race for ever, that is, the blood elves ...

    For Alleria, the Quel'dorei and the Alliance!
    Hah! Typical traitorous dribble. We all were Blood Elves once, after the Scourge cleft our homeland, after Arthas of Lordaeron betrayed us and spoiled the Sunwell. We all trusted Kael thas back then, we all took the name 'blood elves' to honor the dead. We all hungered and suffered without the Sunwell.

    Then, by the command of the ruling crown Prince and Regent Lord in Quel'thalas, to stem the spread of wretchedness, we were forced to sate ourselves on fel energy- to save what few of us remained. To save Quel'thalas.

    That is when the 'High Elves' emerged again. Exiled for refusing austerity measures of royal decree, these traitorous and impractical Blood Elves scorned the dead of Quel'thalas and changed their name back to the 'Quel'dorei'. Hah! As if reverting their name could revert the irreversible catastrophes inflicted upon us, the indelible stain of desperation cast on our once noble land.

    To add insult to injury, the traitors sought refuge and comfort specifically with the enemies of Quel'thalas- and aid them in the slaughter of their bretheren. Good riddance. These 'high elves' are no bretheren of mine.

  7. #27
    Wish I could kill them all, so many elves...

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    If I'd have to pick one of those four, in their current MoP state, I'd have to pick Lor'themar.

    Sylvanas just keeps making bad decisions, like trusting a dread lord (Varimathras) or trusting a just-recently reanimated Gilnean (Lord Godfrey) and doesn't really seem to care much for the Horde in the first place.

    Tyrande was just terrible, and is shown as some inexperienced leader in the scenario ''A Little Patience'' this is why I stated ''in their current MoP state'' as the Warcraft 3 version of Tyrande would probably be a better choice.

    Vereesa doesn't really seem to do much herself, instead of being the Ranger-General of the Silver Covenant, it seemed like Jaina was mostly pulling the strings in the assault on the Isle of Thunder.

    If I'm able to pick someone else, I'd pick Turalyon. He probably wouldn't like me though, considering I'm Horde.

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  9. #29
    I would have chosen Tyrande, but that picture is NOT Tyrande. That's the imposter that replaced her during the Cataclysm.

    So I went with Vereesa for the Alliance. Until Alleria returns at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    To add insult to injury, the traitors sought refuge and comfort specifically with the enemies of Quel'thalas- and aid them in the slaughter of their bretheren. Good riddance. These 'high elves' are no bretheren of mine.
    Loved your post, but still have never understood where the concept of the Alliance as enemies of the Quel'thalas survivors comes from.
    "There is good and evil in this world; we must find the black and white in the gray."

  10. #30
    Tyrande. Not the Tyrande of MoP that seems act like a surly brat, but the bold and heroic Tyrande of Warcraft past.
    Currently flailing around, mid-bubble, in order to heal the WoD content with his new main. Thank the light for Lay on Hands, right?

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    Loved your post, but still have never understood where the concept of the Alliance as enemies of the Quel'thalas survivors comes from.
    'The Alliance' is the problem. Here's the short version:

    In WCII there was the Alliance of Lordaeron. Quel'thalas were nominal members, but didn't contribute much believing that they were not too much at risk.

    WCIII rolls around, and the Elves are kinda hypocrites now that Quel'thalas is in real danger, they're suddenly a whole lot more invested than they were when it was the humans asking for help from Quel'thalas. It doesn't matter either way, The Alliance of Lordaeron and Quel'thalas are both defeated and destroyed by the scourge. The survivors become The Forsaken, and The Blood Elves respectively.

    Later, a new Alliance is formed. The Alliance of Stormwind. It contains some of the same members (like the Dwarves and some survivors of the Old Alliance), but mostly new members (like Stormwind, Darnassus, and later The Exodar and Gilneas). The Elves of Quel'thalas were never a part of this alliance- and after they join the Horde for a number of good reasons, actually become enemies of this new alliance, despite being in the old long-gone alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    Later, a new Alliance is formed. The Alliance of Stormwind. It contains some of the same members (like the Dwarves and some survivors of the Old Alliance), but mostly new members (like Stormwind, Darnassus, and later The Exodar and Gilneas). The Elves of Quel'thalas were never a part of this alliance- and after they join the Horde for a number of good reasons, actually become enemies of this new alliance, despite being in the old long-gone alliance.
    It's the same Alliance as before. The idea that it just stopped existing is a load of fan-non as there's nothing that would indicate this being the case.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    'The Alliance' is the problem. Here's the short version:

    In WCII there was the Alliance of Lordaeron. Quel'thalas were nominal members, but didn't contribute much believing that they were not too much at risk.

    WCIII rolls around, and the Elves are kinda hypocrites now that Quel'thalas is in real danger, they're suddenly a whole lot more invested than they were when it was the humans asking for help from Quel'thalas. It doesn't matter either way, The Alliance of Lordaeron and Quel'thalas are both defeated and destroyed by the scourge. The survivors become The Forsaken, and The Blood Elves respectively.

    Later, a new Alliance is formed. The Alliance of Stormwind. It contains some of the same members (like the Dwarves and some survivors of the Old Alliance), but mostly new members (like Stormwind, Darnassus, and later The Exodar and Gilneas). The Elves of Quel'thalas were never a part of this alliance- and after they join the Horde for a number of good reasons, actually become enemies of this new alliance, despite being in the old long-gone alliance.
    You left out the hostility from Warcraft II where Quel'thalas sent a token force to aid the Alliance when they asked for help, and then blamed the Alliance for the Horde invading Quel'thalas and not sending help to the elves (despite the fact that the Horde was tearing Lordaeron a new one at that very same time).

    But when the "new" Alliance formed, let's be honest, there's no real logical explanation for why Quel'thalas wasn't included from a lore perspective. Blood elves had fought alongside and were aided by Malfurion and Tyrande. There's no real reason for animosity between Quel'thalas and Stormwind, nor the gnomes or dwarves. The night elves setting up to spy on the blood elves in the starting zone doesn't even make that much sense either, though their turn to fel energy would have broken down any talks with the kal'dorei pretty quick in the long run.

    There's just not much support of why the Sin'dorei would have viewed the Alliance as enemies prior to joining the Horde. It was just lore fitting game decisions that brought it all together.

    'The Alliance' was never a problem nor at odds with the elves outside of the WC II problem of the quel'dorei ignoring calls for aid and then getting mad for not having aid sent to them when the Horde got into their forests.

    Would have been interesting if there had been more development and plot behind their considerations of defecting from Horde to rejoin the Alliance rather than just Varian saying "oh, this was going on, btw."
    Last edited by Faroth; 2013-07-24 at 04:08 PM.
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  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    Hah! Typical traitorous dribble. We all were Blood Elves once, after the Scourge cleft our homeland, after Arthas of Lordaeron betrayed us and spoiled the Sunwell. We all trusted Kael thas back then, we all took the name 'blood elves' to honor the dead. We all hungered and suffered without the Sunwell.

    Then, by the command of the ruling crown Prince and Regent Lord in Quel'thalas, to stem the spread of wretchedness, we were forced to sate ourselves on fel energy- to save what few of us remained. To save Quel'thalas.

    That is when the 'High Elves' emerged again. Exiled for refusing austerity measures of royal decree, these traitorous and impractical Blood Elves scorned the dead of Quel'thalas and changed their name back to the 'Quel'dorei'. Hah! As if reverting their name could revert the irreversible catastrophes inflicted upon us, the indelible stain of desperation cast on our once noble land.

    To add insult to injury, the traitors sought refuge and comfort specifically with the enemies of Quel'thalas- and aid them in the slaughter of their bretheren. Good riddance. These 'high elves' are no bretheren of mine.
    Traitorous scum! As much as you manipulate the truth with filthy lies you never will get rid of the demonic taint flowing through your veins ...

    To begin you're wrong, we have never been "Blood Elves", we have always been High Elves, authentic Quel'dorei for millennia. You chose to betray our culture and dishonor our ancestors by choosing the easy way, not us. We remained faithful to the banner of the Silver Unicorn, not the Golden Phoenix, we are still part of the Alliance, our lifelong allies, we keep ourselves pure, undefiled, as we always have been... you... you are inexcusably traitors!

    You kicked out us from our homes, but even from exile we will restore our glorious past and will end up with traitors like you ... we just need a strong, charismatic leader, as Alleria, who in her return, she will certainly know choose wisely: the Quel'dorei or the Sin'dorei...


  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    You left out the hostility from Warcraft II where Quel'thalas sent a token force to aid the Alliance when they asked for help, and then blamed the Alliance for the Horde invading Quel'thalas and not sending help to the elves (despite the fact that the Horde was tearing Lordaeron a new one at that very same time).
    Yeah they were hypocrites. To be fair, though, that's exactly how one would expect an arrogant race of magically superior, ancient beings to behave.

    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    But when the "new" Alliance formed, let's be honest, there's no real logical explanation for why Quel'thalas wasn't included from a lore perspective. Blood elves had fought alongside and were aided by Malfurion and Tyrande. There's no real reason for animosity between Quel'thalas and Stormwind, nor the gnomes or dwarves. The night elves setting up to spy on the blood elves in the starting zone doesn't even make that much sense either, though their turn to fel energy would have broken down any talks with the kal'dorei pretty quick in the long run.
    It makes lore sense enough; at the founding of the New Alliance they definitely would have been cantidates, but by and large they weren't even there. They were off in Outland. Following Illidan and using fel is just too much for the Night Elves to accept, especially given the historical negativity already there. From the Alliance's perspective it was either the Powerful Night Elves, or the vulnerable and arguably corrupt remnants of Quel'thalas. Easy choice.

    But that's just the Alliance's perspective. The Blood Elves had good reasons not to join the Alliance too; and not only because the Alliance sent spies. What did the Horde send? A military force to 'help' them in the Ghostlands. Understand that Quel'thalas was really in poor shape- it wasbarely managing to rebuild Quel'thals, still struggling with scourge remnants and wretchedness. Sitting on their souther border is a huge and powerful force of the Forsaken, their former allies ruled by a former Blood Elf. When Sylvannas sent a huge military force to ask if they needed help in the Ghostlands and wanted to join the Horde, she wasn't really asking. Where exactly would Silvermoon stand if the Forsaken weren't allies? They couldn't dream of defending themselves against them, perhaps even with the Alliance's backing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    There's just not much support of why the Sin'dorei would have viewed the Alliance as enemies prior to joining the Horde.
    Who says they did. The Alliance and Silvermoon had no reason to hate each other, they just had reasons not to become allies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    It was just lore fitting game decisions that brought it all together.

    'The Alliance' was never a problem nor at odds with the elves outside of the WC II problem of the quel'dorei ignoring calls for aid and then getting mad for not having aid sent to them when the Horde got into their forests.
    Well the humans of the Alliance of Stormwind never had to deal with that hypocrisy- those guys are Forsaken now.

    But yeah, more or less, the Alliance and Silvermoon didn't hate each other before they became enemies. It was just happenstance and politics that put them on opposite sides of the Horde/Alliance power split.

    They might hate each other now, however, after being enemies in that capacity for quite a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    Traitorous scum! As much as you manipulate the truth with filthy lies you never will get rid of the demonic taint flowing through your veins ...
    We did what we had to do; remember that it was the necessary moral compromises made by Blood Elves that allow you to partake of the restored Sunwell. How nice it is for you that others have allowed you to remain unsullied on your high horse.


    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    To begin you're wrong, we have never been "Blood Elves", we have always been High Elves, authentic Quel'dorei for millennia. You chose to betray our culture and dishonor our ancestors by choosing the easy way, not us. We remained faithful to the banner of the Silver Unicorn, not the Golden Phoenix, we are still part of the Alliance, our lifelong allies, we keep ourselves pure, undefiled, as we always have been... you... you are inexcusably traitors!
    (This bit just isn't true. After Quel'thalas fell, before the blood Elves became corrupt, before Kael'Thas went crazy, the survivors of Quel'thalas renamed themselves 'Sin'Dorei' to honor the dead. It was only later, after Kael'Thas led those Blood Elves into corruption, that objectors were exiled and reverted their name to 'Quel'Dorei' to disavow the direction their people had gone.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    You kicked out us from our homes, but even from exile we will restore our glorious past and will end up with traitors like you ... we just need a strong, charismatic leader, as Alleria, who in her return, she will certainly know choose wisely: the Quel'dorei or the Sin'dorei...
    Quel'thalas dangled over the brink of oblivion itself; we needed unity- let us not forget that for all your revulsion with those necessary measures there was nothing but silence coming from your camp when it came to the topic of workable alternatives. What were we to do- abandon Quel'Thalas entirely and huddle around the moonwells of this new, distant Alliance? I doubt they would have taken us all. Flee en masse back into the violet city of Dalaran where we'd recently almost been exterminated? Or consign ourselves to wretchedness and pray that enough of us survive until some solution presents itself, as did the rangers of the Hinterlands?

    Your foolish naivety is of such staggering proportions that it has flowered into full blown treason!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    Alleria Windrunner, for the Alliance!

    That is not Alleria, she has emerald green eyes ;P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    Traitorous scum! As much as you manipulate the truth with filthy lies you never will get rid of the demonic taint flowing through your veins ...
    Ultimately, it is a matter of time before the fel-power induced green glint reverts back to the blood elves' regular high elven eyes. This process, however, may take a fairly long time.[30]
    http://www.wowpedia.org/Blood_elf

    To begin you're wrong, we have never been "Blood Elves", we have always been High Elves, authentic Quel'dorei for millennia. You chose to betray our culture and dishonor our ancestors by choosing the easy way, not us. We remained faithful to the banner of the Silver Unicorn, not the Golden Phoenix, we are still part of the Alliance, our lifelong allies, we keep ourselves pure, undefiled, as we always have been... you... you are inexcusably traitors!
    They did not betray their ancestors, I mean those guys feated for thousands of years on a demon and killed their own people to maintain their immortality. http://www.wowpedia.org/Shen%27dralar

    Lifelong allies? Quel'thalas never saw eye to eye to the ordinary human kingdoms, whenever something needed to be discussed Anasterian send someone in his place and even Alleria did not take the kings of the Alliance all that seriously.

    You kicked out us from our homes, but even from exile we will restore our glorious past and will end up with traitors like you ... we just need a strong, charismatic leader, as Alleria, who in her return, she will certainly know choose wisely: the Quel'dorei or the Sin'dorei...
    Alleria always put Quel'thalas above everything else, we will see in which direction she will lean after she returns. What did the high elves achieve in their exile though? The sad truth is absolutely nothing noteworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    But when the "new" Alliance formed, let's be honest, there's no real logical explanation for why Quel'thalas wasn't included from a lore perspective. Blood elves had fought alongside and were aided by Malfurion and Tyrande. There's no real reason for animosity between Quel'thalas and Stormwind, nor the gnomes or dwarves. The night elves setting up to spy on the blood elves in the starting zone doesn't even make that much sense either, though their turn to fel energy would have broken down any talks with the kal'dorei pretty quick in the long run.
    Well Kael'thas their sole leader at the time had developed a deep hatred for humanity, it might have tipped the scale for negotiations.
    Last edited by Combatbulter; 2013-07-24 at 04:55 PM.
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    Magni's a better leader choice than more than half of these.

    And he's encased in diamond.

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    Normally I'd go with night elves, but with Tyrande her character got worse and worse with time, so I'll go with Veressa as I still enjoy her and she hasn't been neutered fully.
    And, of course, for the Alliance because I dislike the expansionistic ways of orcs and the murderous and traitorous forsaken and blood elves. I play a faction after my style and I feel the Alliance is a faction that fits me better, less agressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    (This bit just isn't true. After Quel'thalas fell, before the blood Elves became corrupt, before Kael'Thas went crazy, SOME survivors of Quel'thalas renamed themselves 'Sin'Dorei' to honor the dead. NEXT, BEFORE Kael'Thas led those Blood Elves into corruption, that TRADITIONALISTS were exiled and KEPT their name to 'Quel'Dorei' to disavow the EXTREMIST direction their people had gone.)
    Fixed

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    That is not Alleria, she has emerald green eyes ;P
    Obviously she is not Alleria, since we do not have any 'modern' image of her.

    The image depicts a random High Elf to intimate that the High Elves and the Blood Elves do not have to have the same models, even though they are the same race (and thus allow playable High Elves in the Alliance than once).


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    What?! These leaders suck as leaders of their whole faction. And Sylvannas is just a less ambitious and less insane Garrosh.

    A faction leader is someone balanced who can understand the ways of all races in their faction. These elves have only the benefits of the THEIR people in mind, not to mention Sylvannas will have Tirion Fordring leave Hearthglen for another campaign if she was in charge of the Horde.

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