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    to those saying they could just crack the deeprun tram where it runs under the water i don't think that would work. The reason being that its a under hundreds of feet of water the glass has to be super strong to be usable at that depth also should it be cracked you would only flood a few stations along the tram before the gnomes sealed it off and pumped out the water

    Edit: another thing i dont get is population, how does Ironforge have a smaller population than SW when it is way bigger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tierbook View Post
    Edit: another thing i dont get is population, how does Ironforge have a smaller population than SW when it is way bigger
    humans seem to be the largest most populace races around, but also having shorter life spans
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    fighting over land/politics/or even religion is not genocide
    But winning via plague bombs (as others were suggesting) is pretty much frowned upon by all sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes View Post
    But winning via plague bombs (as others were suggesting) is pretty much frowned upon by all sides.
    my opinion?
    There is no difference from a high explosive, plauge, or beef jerky bomb.
    Death is death, destruction is destruction dont matter how it happens
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    Without out the use of the plague and val'kyr I dont think she could since she wouldnt be able to replace the troops she would lose in each battle(unless the Horde backed her). With those being used I think she eventually could, though it wouldnt be easy. However, that is assuming the Ebon Blade, Argent Crusade, and the Horde just stood by and watched. Since none of those three want another Lich King/Queen they would step in and help take her down. With pretty much the combined power of the most powerful groups/factions in Azeroth all focused on her, she wouldnt last long even with the plague.

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    Sylvanus would never win a war of attrition against the non human residents of Ironforge due to the valkyr only being able to use the corpses of humans and eventually most humans would go worgen to become immune and increase their fighting capability.

    as for plague bombing its high damage but also high aggro she would cause more forces to come to the alliance aid seeing her as a potential threat.

    And as for horde forces belves really are against the idea of being undead and would stand agaisnt her, as would horde races like the tauren, orcs, and pandaren leaving only the goblins who are known for choosing the richer more numerous side.

    how I feel it would play out.
    her forces could start at Ironforge, unable to take it they begin plague bombing until the once neutral forces of the argent dawn, knights of the ebon blade, cenarion circle, and earthen ring come to stop her. Reaching full force as the forsaken forces start breaking or have already broken Ironforge the forsaken would then have to deal with the newly united neutral forces up north while at the same time fighting the remainder of the alliance at the south.

    there's just no way.

    forsaken air forces without the goblins are pitiful and dwarven gryphons along with skyships, gyro-copters and gnomish planes would easily reduce most forsaken plague catapults to ash

    Forsaken ALONE could not and will not take the eastern kingdoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MechaMoose View Post
    Sylvanus would never win a war of attrition against the non human residents of Ironforge due to the valkyr only being able to use the corpses of humans and eventually most humans would go worgen to become immune and increase their fighting capability.

    as for plague bombing its high damage but also high aggro she would cause more forces to come to the alliance aid seeing her as a potential threat.

    And as for horde forces belves really are against the idea of being undead and would stand agaisnt her, as would horde races like the tauren, orcs, and pandaren leaving only the goblins who are known for choosing the richer more numerous side.

    how I feel it would play out.
    her forces could start at Ironforge, unable to take it they begin plague bombing until the once neutral forces of the argent dawn, knights of the ebon blade, cenarion circle, and earthen ring come to stop her. Reaching full force as the forsaken forces start breaking or have already broken Ironforge the forsaken would then have to deal with the newly united neutral forces up north while at the same time fighting the remainder of the alliance at the south.

    there's just no way.

    forsaken air forces without the goblins are pitiful and dwarven gryphons along with skyships, gyro-copters and gnomish planes would easily reduce most forsaken plague catapults to ash

    Forsaken ALONE could not and will not take the eastern kingdoms.
    The forsaken army Won't even reach Ironforge. They will stretch themselves too far and supply lines will be thin and easy to be cut off.
    Most optimistical scenario for them is they reach Wetlands. Because the alliance lets them. Then the alliance destroys the giant bridge connecting wetlands to Arathi, effectively cutting supply lines and wearing the trapped army down with aircraft from ironforge and tanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    my opinion?
    There is no difference from a high explosive, plauge, or beef jerky bomb.
    Death is death, destruction is destruction dont matter how it happens
    There is. A HE shell at least can be aimed at a target, that target can be military OR civilian. An Airborne plague cant differentiate civilian from military targets and it hits everything, and this is unethical.
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    There is. A HE shell at least can be aimed at a target, that target can be military OR civilian. An Airborne plague cant differentiate civilian from military targets and it hits everything, and this is unethical.
    Because launching a firebomb from a catapult can be targeted so much more precisely than a barrel of plague?
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    I made a thread similar to this back in September last year I think. They would have to start smaller than just going straight for a capital city. Technically undead don't need to eat, drink, or sleep. They could move through a lot of towns and kill people then turn them into undead. Another good thing about her army is whenever they kill someone they can be raised as undead in her own army. Then of course she has the plague which is an overwhelming advantage. She would just have to weave through the surrounding areas, clearing out all towns and posts before actually attacking a city. Halfway through her army would be so big it wouldn't matter though I think. The only problem is that she could be thwarted very early on if The rest of the Eastern Kingdoms respond fast enough and with heavy force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Because launching a firebomb from a catapult can be targeted so much more precisely than a barrel of plague?
    Yep. The Plague spreads no matter what and you cant stop it, its intention is to kill everything in the area, dosent matter. Even if the firebomb misses, Flames, grab a shovel and some sand and you are fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Yep. The Plague spreads no matter what and you cant stop it, its intention is to kill everything in the area, dosent matter. Even if the firebomb misses, Flames, grab a shovel and some sand and you are fine.
    Yep, flames sure are easy to put out during a bombardment... That must be why Japan's cities were just fine and dandy after a napalm bombing during WWII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alesa View Post
    I made a thread similar to this back in September last year I think. They would have to start smaller than just going straight for a capital city. Technically undead don't need to eat, drink, or sleep. They could move through a lot of towns and kill people then turn them into undead. Another good thing about her army is whenever they kill someone they can be raised as undead in her own army. Then of course she has the plague which is an overwhelming advantage. She would just have to weave through the surrounding areas, clearing out all towns and posts before actually attacking a city. Halfway through her army would be so big it wouldn't matter though I think. The only problem is that she could be thwarted very early on if The rest of the Eastern Kingdoms respond fast enough and with heavy force.
    Im giving Sylvanas' army chance of getting into wetlands and not further. They will be spotted by scouts and spies and armed response will be given. The forsaken army is not built for war of attrition, nevermind they can raise humans to their cause. Most newly raised humans are straight out useless because they either become morons when they are raised, or they are so confused they can barely hold a blade, even if they were trained warriors in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Yep, flames sure are easy to put out during a bombardment... That must be why Japan's cities were just fine and dandy after a napalm bombing during WWII.
    I tought you were talking about catapults. Not hundreds of B-17 flying fotresses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    my opinion?
    There is no difference from a high explosive, plauge, or beef jerky bomb.
    Death is death, destruction is destruction dont matter how it happens
    Yes there is.

    One kills. One doesn't. One turns you into an Undead against your will, where you've given a 'choice' - help kill your former friends, allies and family, or die again.

    If you can't work this out, then I'm very worried for your mental wellbeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    I tought you were talking about catapults. Not hundreds of B-17 flying fotresses.
    Fire is fire. You aren't going to be putting it out when more bombs are flying overhead regardless if they're from catapults or bombers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Fire is fire. You aren't going to be putting it out when more bombs are flying overhead regardless if they're from catapults or bombers.
    Hundreds of B-17 flying fotresses loaded with tons of incendiary bombs have a LOT more capacity for destruction than like 5 catapults firing a projectile every few minutes.
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    Yeah. They're not being killed and then put back to normal like they were wished back with the dragon plot convenience balls, they're brought back as undead, who cannot have children, have rotting senses, etc. Maybe you could try and argue it's not technically genocide but certainly not a temporary thing.
    If its not genocide then its mass mutilation, which is almost as bad (or worse, depending on who you ask).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Im giving Sylvanas' army chance of getting into wetlands and not further. They will be spotted by scouts and spies and armed response will be given. The forsaken army is not built for war of attrition, nevermind they can raise humans to their cause. Most newly raised humans are straight out useless because they either become morons when they are raised, or they are so confused they can barely hold a blade, even if they were trained warriors in life.
    Oh, and to add-on on my opinion, Forsaken reanimation is not like Scourge reanimation. Humans resurrected by the forsaken still have a mind of their own, and some of theese newly-raised forsaken, especially people killed by them moments earlier, might turn on the forsaken themselves. Wich causes chaos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Hundreds of B-17 flying fotresses loaded with tons of incendiary bombs have a LOT more capacity for destruction than like 5 catapults firing a projectile every few minutes.
    And a town full of people with shovels and buckets aren't going to be putting out fires with any efficacy in either case. IDK if you noticed, but sieges in Warcraft use more than 5 catapults and they fire much faster than every few minutes. Plus there's all the other shit going on with an attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Oh, and to add-on on my opinion, Forsaken reanimation is not like Scourge reanimation. Humans resurrected by the forsaken still have a mind of their own, and some of theese newly-raised forsaken, especially people killed by them moments earlier, might turn on the forsaken themselves. Wich causes chaos.
    Which is evident with the questing in Silverpine. She would literally have to become the next Lich King in order to pull off a stunt like that. As it stands she has the capability to restock her numbers and has access to a very potent gas bomb but when it comes to being able to stop the entire Alliance plus the Horde (if you think they won't go against her you are delusional) she is up against a wall she cannot climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Oh, and to add-on on my opinion, Forsaken reanimation is not like Scourge reanimation. Humans resurrected by the forsaken still have a mind of their own, and some of theese newly-raised forsaken, especially people killed by them moments earlier, might turn on the forsaken themselves. Wich causes chaos.
    People raised immediately after being killed are in a crazed state, they don't attack Forsaken because they hate what just happened to them. Their disorientation is actually exploited by the Forsaken who point them at the Forsaken's enemy.
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