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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by ragemv View Post
    They actually Never had a long Historie with Radiation. Actually is a rather" new" Thing that happen to them was in the 3 or 2 War, And when you think about they actually have made a cure for it, it probaly is possible
    You cant cure blight like you cure sickness. Its not sickness ffs, its toxins!

    Thats like saying "we must find cure to Anthrax!"
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  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    First of all, that tsunami thing was retconed in beta. Second, I missed the part where walls stop airborne toxins.
    I'm sorry, but I don't recall Sylvanas having any more efficient air force than the bat riders, and I highly doubt that the Horde would willingly loan her a single zeppelin for such efforts.
    The bat riders cannot carry large, heavy plague tanks, only a limited stock of small bombs. Sure they may come in swarms and the bombs would be very volatile, but then again they would be shot down by Alliance air forces before they could provide any significant damage.

    People seem to overestimate Sylvanas and the Forsaken as a war force. Sure, she has the val'kyr, but there's no way in hell she would ever again bring them to the front lines after the Andorhal incident, less they would get decimated above everything else as the Alliance troops would mark them as primary targets. Plus the human corpses (keep in mind the val'kyr cannot raise any other than humans) would be burned by their fellow troops, rendering them useless for reanimation.

    So, no. She could not be able to conquer the whole of EK (the Horde would be very unlikely to support her), where the Alliance military force is far more powerful than hers.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Mokaproductionist View Post
    I'm sorry, but I don't recall Sylvanas having any more efficient air force than the bat riders, and I highly doubt that the Horde would willingly loan her a single zeppelin for such efforts.
    What the hell are you talking about. Airborne toxins = spreads through air.
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  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    What the hell are you talking about. Airborne toxins = spreads through air.
    My bad, I thought you meant delivering the plague via air force, but my point still stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    What the hell are you talking about. Airborne toxins = spreads through air.
    Wind can take theese airborne stuff in the other direction. Trying to plague something far away will fail inevitably.
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  6. #126
    If this has been said, it hasn't been said enough:

    She won't be able to capture Light's Hope Chapel. Period. End of Thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Wind can take theese airborne stuff in the other direction. Trying to plague something far away will fail inevitably.
    It was a response to someone that thought walls can stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    It was a response to someone that thought walls can stop it.
    Walls can stop the plague wagons going in and soaking the place up with goop. Try to plague stormwind from outside of its walls will not be very effective. Try to bomb it will also fail, since stormwind has basically a flying aircraft-carrier.
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  9. #129
    Sylvanas would have to deal with all the dwarven clans, Stormwind, gnomes, Gilnean survivors, and any rebel faction groups spread throughout the Eastern Kingdoms. The dwarves alone could crush her.

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    Eventually, I think so. Currently? No chance.

    A lot of people seem to just assume that she'll use the same tactics she used around the North. Not a good assumption, in my opinion. I think the reason we haven't seen much of her lately is because she's licking her wounds, updating her battle strategy, and strengthening her forces.

    I think it's eventually possible, but it may be farther than a decade game time before it could occur feasibly, with any kind of success. Unfortunately, I think she'll also be one of Blizzard's new targets before that comes to pass, we shall see. I also believe that if she does become a Blizzard target, whatever is beneath Western Tirisfal is what pushes her to "raid boss" status.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Reyzzz View Post
    I think the forsaken should get The Uplands and Strahnbrad in Alterac. They shouldn't get too much at a time.
    Which, realistically, they should have conquered by now. After winning the fight for Andorhal the Forsaken pretty much control the transition points between Western Plaguelands and Hillsbrad, which makes Alterac surrounded by them on all sides. Strahnbrand and Upplands don't even have any quests after Cata, just some random Syndicate mobs. Alterac also has no quests and is occupied by some Ogres.

    It's been over two years in game since the Forsaken initial conquest portrayed in Cataclysm. They took no part in any offensive in Either Cataclysm or Mists other than sending some singular officers or a token force at best. Logically, Sylvanas spent that time by strengthening her grip over Lordaeron. The forces holding Alterac are nothing. And neither are Alliance forces in Arathi. Refugee Pointe is a hole in the ground that is immensely vulnerable to "roll plague tanks and pour the plague down on human heads" tactic.

    However, Dwarves and Humans did fight on multiple fronts all over Azeroth in that time. Their forces are diminished and exhausted. I'm not saying Sylvanas has the power to seize entire Eastern Kingdoms. But she does have the power to capture most of Lordaeron. The only reason Arathi and Alterac are not Forsaken territory yet is because Blizzard totally ignored her since Cata. She could also capture Caer Darrow (for some reason I can't picture Argent Crusaders drooling over the idea of taking Scholomance for themselves). And then Hitnerlands would be trapped and fall eventually. And she really should blow the remaining bridge of the Thandol Span sky high. There's nothing that would prevent her from reaching that goal on her side of it. And even though she could potentially capture parts of Wetlands, it would be safer for her to just sever the connection between Lordaeron and rest of the Eastern Kingdoms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Therionn View Post
    The Forsaken got beaten at Gilneas, so...

    All Wrathgate showed was the Forsaken betraying the Alliance and the Horde and plaguing them from behind. That would not work if they tried to march onto Stormwind. Sylvanas can't even beat the 7th legion and a ragtag group of worgen, what makes you think she would stand a chance against the entire might of the Alliance?
    Except she did beat the 7th legion forces aiding the worgen. She did force the Gilneas Liberation Front into submission. And Bloodfang's Worgen took another hit in Hillsbrad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phyl View Post
    Stormwind has a very good intelligence service. After the Wrathgate, I presume Sylvanas is overwatched by different spies, and if she tries to builds plague bombs, she will be stopped by both Alliance and Horde.
    And where are these Alliance spies hiding? In the tainted forests of Tirisfal Glades? In the toxic sewers of Undercity? And what can they eat there? Plagued maggots? Sorry, but I find the idea of Alliance spies anywhere near Undercity to be very implausible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazomir View Post
    Theese guys barely defeated the Worgen and had to kidnap Crowley's daughter to win, and you expect them to conquer the whole Eastern Kingdoms? LOL. Yeah, they took Hillsbrad, by bombing an oblivious civilian settlement without any military force. GG.

    Plus if they even TRY doing that, The argent crusade will be all up in their lands before they know it.
    Crowley's daughter or not, she forced Gilneas Liberation Front to submit which left only Bloodfang's worgen keeping her from conquering Gilneas again.

    And yes, Argent Crusade has a longstanding history of interference in the international politics of the main factions. I totally see your point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Danmakus View Post
    No, she could not, First of all, the plague that everyone seems to be so eager to use is banned by every race on azeroth, Even Garrosh wouldnt use a miniscule ammount of plague to make a small opening in the greymane wall defences, and instead sacrificed countless undead soilders. So the if they were to use this, they would effectivly lose whatever trust the other horde races had to her. and make more enemies than allies.
    I really don't think Sylvanas would care about other races banning the plague should she decide to take on the Eastern Kingdoms. Because she already doesn't care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krunk View Post
    And the Ebon Blade wouldn't Join the Forsaken. They are dedicated to keeping the Undead in check, not allowing them to propagate. Plus they do the whole "raise massive armies of the Undead" better than Sylvannas ever could.
    They are dedicated to keep undead in check? Since when? They waged their war against Arthas for personal reasons. Not because he was an evil bastard. They are evil bastards themselves. Not because he raised undead. So did they. They were against Arthas because he used them as cannon fodder to draw Fordring out of hiding.

    The Knights of the Ebon Blade used the tactics of the Scourge and of the Forsaken in their campaign. They even compared themselves to the Forsaken a few times. Why would they give a shit about Sylvanas plaguing people the death knights don't care about or resurrecting them? They would have done the same were they ever fighting anyone again. They came with the idea of Shadowmourne, their take at Frostmourne, did they not? And in the case Sylvanas lost, when they'd be the last undead Faction, what would stop them from thinking "When will they come for us?". Or thinking that preemptively, before she lost.

    And they have never shown necromantic capabilities on the scale of the Val'kyr. They were quite successful at freeing individual undead from Lich King's grasp, but the Forsaken already have free will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Argent Crusade is patheticaly naive force. Most of them are novices that vmoit at the sight of ghoul, many veterans died in Northrend and they had to be saved in almost every situation (also, tactical genius of Tirion Fordring came up with building colliseum on the doormat of Lich King, so there is that). Ebon Blade would propably join Forsaken just to finaly slaughter those light worshiping idiots.
    You forgot that they couldn't contain a spider infestation in Cata, and if memory serves me right, some Gnoll force right on their doorstep? And I have no idea what prevents Fordring from being liquefied if he gets hit with a plague bomb. Being a paladin didn't seem to help Bolvar that much.
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    She couldn't even take out the much smaller forces of Gilneans with the full might of undercity.

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    Probably not, its just not feasible for just the Forsaken to win a large scale war against the Alliances power base, Humans and Dwarves.
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    I don't think any race can defeat the mighty dwarfs in battle.
    They will just stand far far in the back with their battle tanks/steam tanks, and when they are getting near they just open fire, Enough tanks/cannons they can use to destroy the enemy without even losing 1 single men.

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  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Is it possible Sylvanas and the Forsaken would be successful in conquering the entire Eastern Kingdoms down the road?

    Say a decade has passed since the events of Cata and Sylvanas has had time to build a massive Forsaken army with the aid of her Val'kyr's.
    Deciding her Forsaken need more living space combined with her hatred for the Alliance she decide's it's time to launch an all out assault.
    During this time she has also been able to obtain "ballistic plague missiles" or bombs with the aid of Goblin technology.
    Her first move is to launch several of these plague missiles/bombs into the heart of Stormwind and Ironforge, which ends up killing countless citizen's in both cities.
    After this her Forsaken army begins to march south from the Trisfall Glades out to first conquer Ironforge and then Stormwind.
    Also everyone slaughtered by the Forsaken is then resurrected by the Val'kyr as a new recruit of Sylvanas's army.

    Would the Alliance be able to recover from such a devastating attack and emerge victorious or would they be doomed as the Eastern Kingdom's fall under complete control by Sylvanas and her Forsaken?
    they couldnt even fucking take gilneas in the midst of a civil war right after over half the population turning into wolf monsters. how the fuck is she supposed to conquer the eastern kingdoms?
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    For sure, she could do it. They won't for story reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    I really don't think Sylvanas would care about other races banning the plague should she decide to take on the Eastern Kingdoms. Because she already doesn't care.
    i think she would care when she get surrounded on all fronts with no allies to call for backup. One has to realize that the only form of allied forces she has on EK is the bloodelves, and even they dont like the Forsaken that much. Had the treaty talks between Varian / bloodelves gone well its not too far fetched to think that The forsaken would have been removed.

    (ofcourse speculation & would've been helps no one and would never go through due to gameplay) she's not some superpower like the Lich king was, and i doubt they will make her into one.

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    If I were sylvanas advisor, I'd suggest conquering northrend instead. No faction resides there anymore, the scourge is not eliminated by sure, sylvanas can deal with that. There are still many natives there,vyrkul and zuldark trolls for example that she could raise and the only resistance I'd imagine will be in grizzly hills where the alliance is probably consuming last resources such as trees. And of course the dragon aspects . Of course, who the hell know what goes on there anymore. Dalaran is in dustwallow marsh in the current events.
    Then again, why would she attack the alliance at all? She doesn't hold any grudge whatsoever to the alliance, and I think she'd rather conquer silvermoon instead.
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    If the Forsaken actually marched on something and commit to attacking it I think their forward fortifications would end up decimated under the shadow of The Skyfire or Dalaran or both.

    The notion that they could hold the land around Ironforge long enough to starve the dwarves out is flatly stupid. Ironforge was made from the ground up to be a stronghold. You think they never thought that someday they would have to hole up in there and defend themselves for an extended period of time? That's literally what the purpose of the structure is. It's also a fantasy spellcasting staple that food and drink can easily be magically produced. I can believe that the population of Westfall could stave but Ironforge? They have enough trained magicians that there is no chance of that.

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