"Terror, darkness, power? The Forsaken crave not these things; the Forsaken ARE these things."
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
Cause I want to live in your house and I rather not destroy it.
Also, limited destruction can be aimed more precisely, while mass destruction is mass destruction.
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Stormwind navy will obliterate any forsaken navy they send. Their navy is now bigger than what Kul Tiras had. Wich was the biggest navy in Azeroth.
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Because weapons now and specially incediaries are a lot more efective than a jug filled with tar and set on fire thrown over in your side of the wall.
Even with the right plague and the Val'kyrs, she doesn't have the military strenght yet. But this can build up with necromancy on fallen enemies armies.
Sylvanas should first move her army to icecrown citadel, awaken and challenge Lichking Bolvar and heir him as the right heir, she was touched and tortured by Arthas long ago, maybe he lives on in her in a way and the Val'kyr obviously accept her, too.
Well, i said it quite a few times in other threads, too.
After she got Icecrown she might be ready to conquer the eastern kingdoms.
However, the main problem is indeed Ironforge. That city seems more fortified and a darker place than even UC. if i would be Sylvanas i would ignore Ironforge and block the passes that leads to Elwynn forest and SW. Just concentrate on the fall of SW. And deal with the rest later.
Really, if the Forsaken were strong enough to take over EK on their own, they wouldn't even BE in the Horde, they're only there because they need the Horde.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
the weak spot of ironforge is that underground train that leads to sw. By that tunnel they could bring the plague into ironforge. A pretty big weakness, if this gets deployed before the dwarves even know about sylvanas campaign to conquer the EK.
So, yeah if you got the plague you got an huge advantage. You also got an huge advantage if you soldiers are allready dead. They walk day and night, never get tired and exhausted, do not need to eat, can walk underwater, can defend a fortress forever and never starve, there is proably more i just remember right now.
Actually its just all a game and for the sake of progessing the story and since its just a game the scourge lost in the first place - realisticly i would never see that happen not with the plague, that counless armies and war machiene that ice crown is and that big ice crown citadel.
the forsaken are just a smaller scourge.
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Well, as i said before the subway is the weakest spot of Iron Forge.
The keywords is "demise". Ashbringer died. Wielding that sword does not make you a fucking god. And the Blight killed other paladins, including one strong enough to resist Lich King's attempts to break his will for weeks. When Alexandors Super-Duper Ashbringer was raised and enslaved by mere Kel'thuzad.
The Blight also weakened Lich King himself, even though his armour was supposed to make him invulnerable.
Quite frankly since Tides of Darkness humans, Dwarves and Gnomes participated on many fronts of the Horde-Alliance war and lost a ton of troops. While Sylvanas waited and fortified her holdings (well, not lorewise since she has been ignored lately, but logic dictates that). I'm not saying it would allow her to roflstomp Eastern Kingdoms, but it would make the Alliance much harder to roflstomp her back.
And how are they going to resupply Aerie Peak if she decides to besiege it? If Aerie Peak is besieged the last hostile (to the Forsaken) force in Lordaeron would be stopped from interfering in destruction of Thandol Span by Sylvanas' troops.
Without that bridge the Alliance would need to either move their fleet to eastern Hinterlands, kill Raventusk first and then climb the ramp of death leading from the shore to mainland Hinterlands or land in Hillsbrad, where they could as well march into Southshore, bath in the plague and die and save Forsaken the time.
It's the same deal as Andorhal all over again. Alliance has shit supply lines in Lordaeron. That's why their strongholds there will eventually fall one by one. And why would argents care about Wildhammer Dwarves again? They didn't care about farmers being resurrected right on their doorstep.
The Forsaken barely need any supplies, and fallen enemy soldiers (and possibly their own) add to their ranks. In Siege of Orgrimmar sound files Sylvanas wants to resurrect fallen Horde troops, so the Val'kyr can resurrect more than humans now. Or maybe they always could resurrect Horde races and we just didn't know? Their limits are too foggy, unexplained and overly complicated to be honest. They are built for war of attrition. Also newly risen Forsaken are usually capable, just frenzied (which makes them easy to manipulate). Look at Ambermill. Entire town resurrected and ready to fight just a few quests later.
And Sylvanas shouldn't even get into Wetlands. It would create too many fronts to defend it. She should, and - after increasing her hold over Lordaeron, while the Alliance fought Garrosh - possibly could conquer the rest of Lordaeron that is not AC/Silvermoon controlled.
The reanimation actually sounds similar. It's just that the undead risen by Scourge still had consciousness, so in a way, they still had mind of their own, but Lich King's will overpowered theirs and effectively enslaved them. The short story about Kel'thuzad shows it in a great way. And higher rank Scourge even was able to speak about being enslaved. Mostly the Nerubians.
But the Forsaken actually have one of the biggest navies. For long while they were the main navy of the Horde. And they did beat human fleet in Howling Fjords. Which was one of the very few naval skirmishes. Warcraft could use more.
That's totally true. Although Sylvanas was left alone for two years so their need for the Horde is lower than it used to be. But she still aids the rebellion in 5.4 so she thinks the pros of being in the Horde still outweigh the cons. Or maybe she just wanted to see Garrosh die.