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  1. #421
    No one really likes the Forsaken save for Silvermoon, because they've protected by the Forsaken. If Sylvanas tried overtaking any major alliance settlement, or expanding by any large amount, there'd be a crapstorm raining down from every kirin tor mage, every argent crusader and every alliance force. I doubt even a massive army under her command could stop the utter destructive forces of all of those armies.

    If you wanted to get realistic, all someone would have to do to end the Forsaken army is kill off the valkyr sylvanas has. They'd eventually die off defending their own lands from other threats, like the scarlet crusade.
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  2. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfighter101 View Post
    No one really likes the Forsaken save for Silvermoon, because they've protected by the Forsaken.
    The Tauren do/did. Well, Hamuul at least. He convinced Thrall to induct the Forsaken into the Horde because Hamuul saw the potential for their redemption.
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  3. #423
    Hamuul must be feeling pretty salty right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post

    Catapults are in no way shape or form banned in warfare.

    Also: "International law does not prohibit the use of napalm or other incendiaries against military targets, but use against civilian populations was banned by the United Nations Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW) in 1980."
    Protocol III on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Incendiary Weapons prohibits, in all circumstances, making the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects, the object of attack by any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat or a combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target. The protocol also prohibits the use of incendiary weapons against military targets near concentration of civilians, which may otherwise be allowed by the principle of proportionality.
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  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    Didn't really look like that in South Shore.

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    So she is purposely dooming thousands of others to the same miserable plane she is going to go at some point? Real nice of here.

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    As for people saying she could just get Goblins to get her into Ironforge...

    I don't know if you all realize this, but Ironforge is better secured than Cheyenne Mountain. Arguably the US's most impenetrable base, which, like Ironforge, is also inside a mountain. Cheyenne is one of the NORAD command centers, and is supposed to be able to hold up against multiple direct small-medium nuclear strikes, or at least one 30 megaton strike. To put that into perspective, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima that leveled the city in seconds was just 0.02 megatons. And the most powerful bomb the US ever tested was only 15 megatons, and made this explosion:

    Seeing as Ironforge is even stronger defensive wise than NORAD (deeper within the mountain. Even thicker front door). Then I highly doubt the goblins have anything they can throw at IF that would get them inside.
    Hehe nice pic, but you obviously missed the subway leading to ironforge, its so easy for some spys like a goblin as gnome in disguise to smuggle some plague crops into ironforge before Sylvanas declared even war. Iron forge will fall first without even noticing anything and all the dead dwarves will be enlisted to Sylvanas Scourge.

    The Wc2 horde failed to take it, cause Iron Forge cannot be taken by a direct conventional attack, i think everyone, agrees with this. Just Sylvanas has biological weapons, too. Old horde never had that. The Burning Legion did not fully support that horde, not anything close we saw in wc3 when the legion attacked in full force. Archimonde would deal with Ironforge in the same way as he did with Dalaran. He will cause some earthquakes and all the dwarves will be crushed and buried by their own mountain.

    The forsaken will cease to exist when Sylvanas pays Bolvar a visit(she was there leaving a scratch in the ice) and get full control of the entire scourge in icecrown and possible remaining forces elsewhere on the planet.

    But of course that story will not be told, cause it would mean the certain end of anything living. I do not see why undead should not way laste and total destruction on the eastern kingdom without a qualm. Its the reasion why they exist in the first place. And i am sure you know about the scourge events in wc3 preparing the way for the legion.

    I wonder why we are arguing aobut Sylvanas supremacy, when just for the sake of the stories to be told, Metzen holds her back?
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  6. #426
    She couldn't take Eastern Kingdoms. Why? Well for one, the Horde would be against her actions, for another you're assuming the humans of Stormwind would join her, of course they wouldn't. There's a difference between being raised when not expected to have that happen, to knowing it happens and being prepared for that. All Sylvanas would do is create an Alliance army which wouldn't need to eat or sleep. You also fail to realise she has 3 Valkyr left, and we killed them easily in Northrend.

    The fact that Sylvanas's valykr have problems raising non humans... although it seems they can raise blood elves in SoO. Means dwarves and gnomes would be a force to be reckoned with. Then there's the fact that the moment this started the forces of the Argent Crusade, Ebon Blade, Ashen Verdict and any other anti undead force would team up to take her punk bitch ass down.
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  7. #427
    Quote Originally Posted by Insomnie View Post
    So, let me recap what did this thread help me realise:


    • The Alliance won't bother responding to a Forsaken invasion untill they reach the front gates.
    • The Alliance won't bother helping their under siege allies, either!
    • Forsaken assasins will be cutting all sorts of important people, completely unhindered.
    • The Horde won't even raise an eyebrow in the hearing of all these. Why should they, it's not like Sylvanas has gone Genghis Khan mode and they're next.

    In general, noone responds to anything the Forsaken do or might do, seems like they have already decided to bow before their undead overlords.
    This thread is much like every other Sylvanas bukkake-fest, I'm not sure why people are surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Good point, they could surround Ironforge though and starve it from receiving any supplies outside of the mountain, they would run out of food eventually.

    Also Stormwind doesn't have the benefit of being inside a mountain and would be crippled by plague bombing.
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  9. #429
    Quote Originally Posted by manicwrath View Post
    mages conjur food, shamans conjure/command elements
    Gameplay doesn't equal canon. People in Orgrimmar were starving to death after the Cataclysm even though they had mages.

    In the novel, Orgrimmar had shaman that could make it rain and they were still suffering from a drought. Also, shaman don't command the elements, they negotiate with the elements. Unless you're talking about dark shaman, but that is more akin to the type of enslavement warlocks/mages do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    The Tauren do/did. Well, Hamuul at least. He convinced Thrall to induct the Forsaken into the Horde because Hamuul saw the potential for their redemption.
    as I recall it was the Grimtotem too that also swayed the Horde to accept the Forsaken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    In the novel, Orgrimmar had shaman that could make it rain and they were still suffering from a drought. Also, shaman don't command the elements, they negotiate with the elements. .
    "regular" shaman do find themselves in positions to be more forecful though.
    As Thrall did when he basically had to tell the fire elementals in Org to fuck off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    "regular" shaman do find themselves in positions to be more forecful though.
    As Thrall did when he basically had to tell the fire elementals in Org to fuck off
    More begged them to go back into the braziers than told them to fuck off. Thrall did force one at the end when the spark ignored him.
    Brother Flame … you can do great harm and great good to those whose lives you choose to touch. But you have taken for your fuel the dwellings of others. Your smoke sears our eyes and lungs. I ask you, return to the places where we hold you with gratitude. Harm no more of our people.
    The fire answered. This elemental was but one of many who were angry and erratic, fierce and uncontrolled.
    No, we do not wish to return to the confinement of the bonfires or braziers or small family hearths. We like being free; we want to race across this place and consume all in our path.
    Thrall felt a flutter of worry. Never before had such a direct request of his, one from the heart and filled with concern for the safety of others, been so flatly refused.
    He asked again, putting more of his own will into the query, emphasizing the damage that the element was doing to people who had ever welcomed it into their city.
    Reluctantly, sullenly, like a sulky child, the blaze began to die down. Thrall sensed his fellow shaman lending their aid, their concentration, their pleas as well, and was grateful if unnerved by the incident.
    The fire did consume seven buildings and a great deal of personal property before it finally subsided. Fortunately, no lives were directly lost, although Thrall knew that several were affected by the smoke. He would—
    “No,” he whispered. A spark, dancing defiantly, was wafting on the wind, heading for another building, to wreak more havoc. Thrall reached out to the spark, sensed in its erratic intent its refusal to respect Thrall’s entreaty.
    His eyes were open now, watching the path of the tiny flame. If you continue your path, little spark, you will cause great harm.
    I must burn! I must live!
    There are places where your glow and heat are welcome. Find them. Do not destroy the dwellings or take the lives of my people!
    For a second the spark seemed to wink out of existence, but then it blazed back with renewed vigor.
    Thrall knew what he had to do. He lifted his hand. Forgive me, Brother Flame. But I must protect my people from the harm you would cause them. I have requested, I have begged, now I warn.
    The spark seemed to spasm, and yet it continued on its lethal course.
    Thrall, grim-faced, clenched his hand hard.
    The spark flared defiantly, then dwindled, finally settling down to nothing more than the faintest of glowing embers. For now, it would no longer do anyone harm.
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  12. #432
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    The Tauren do/did. Well, Hamuul at least. He convinced Thrall to induct the Forsaken into the Horde because Hamuul saw the potential for their redemption.

    Bet he's been feelling pretty silly for the past few years then



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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    Also: "International law does not prohibit the use of napalm or other incendiaries against military targets, but use against civilian populations was banned by the United Nations Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW) in 1980."
    thats an incredibly vague "rule", most wars/battles happen among civilian populations anyway.
    Hell if 2 armies are fighting over a major city there would be more civilians than actual troops on the battlefield
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  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Lockndrop View Post
    they couldnt starve out ironforge because of the deeprun tram.
    EASY entrance to get if....

  15. #435
    Quote Originally Posted by Lockndrop View Post
    they couldnt starve out ironforge because of the deeprun tram.
    Wrong. They would first have to destroy deeprun tram before the attempt. It would appear to be susceptible to flooding by shattering the glass tube areas, for example.

  16. #436
    Could she adopt a divide and conquer strategy?

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    Stormwind would fall if she sent in a massive fleet of these improved forsaken bats that spray the plague around.


  18. #438
    No, no chance at all. For starters literally no other Horde race likes the Forsaken much and so they would not be willing to back her up. Silvermoon once had a fairly strong Alliance with them but Sylvanas squandered that when she blackmailed them into sending Troops to Northrend before they were able to finish licking their wounds from the battles on Quel'Danas. Nowadays Lor'themar seems to have nothing but contempt for Sylvanas.

    In all likelihood Sylvanas wouldn't even get past the Argent Crusade and if she did then she wouldn't get past Ironforge. I just don't know where people get the Idea that the Forsaken are such a strong military force, they had trouble even holding Silverpine, got forced out of Gilneas and only were able to take Southshore because of their Plague. Andorhal is really the only good example of their military strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Stormwind would fall if she sent in a massive fleet of these improved forsaken bats that spray the plague around.

    That's a pretty awesome idea but I have to question the placement of the sprayer..
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  20. #440
    Sylvanas would never do it without backed by the horde, anyways. She and Thrall are buddies. She owes Thrall big time in that siege of undercity.

    That scenario Sylvanas conquering EK, is only possible if that Garrosh vs thrall horde civil war lasts for a long period of time and thrall got somehow killed and total chaos is spreading in waves over Kalimdor. When she feels she might have the initative and ask their close BE allies for back up her conquest a lot seems possible with prober use of the plague.

    But of course nothing will hapen, cause this mmo is stale.^^

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