Feminist's attack Priest

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Extremists make anything look bad. WBC makes Christianity look bad. Al-Qaeda makes Islam looks bad. Bad politicians can make an entire state look bad. Hardcore fans can make a game/series look bad. For example, I like LoL, but god does the playerbase make me hate it sometimes. But that isn't the game's fault.

They need to be disregarded and not allowed to mar people's perception on what these movements/organizations actually stand for. Ignore them and move on.

Well but the degree of fanatism of the vocal part of a movement is probably a measure stick for the more progressive and moderate fraction.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3094917.html

Only one-fifth of Americans identify as feminists, according to a new HuffPost/YouGov poll. But the vast majority fit the basic definition of the word.

According to the survey, just 20 percent of Americans -- including 23 percent of women and 16 percent of men -- consider themselves feminists. Another 8 percent consider themselves anti-feminists, while 63 percent said they are neither.

Among those who identified themselves as either feminists or strong feminists, though, 43 percent said they thought most women are feminists.

Not all racist are racist some just care more for their own race. /flawed analogy

Not all Feminist are sexist only some care more for their own gender /strawman

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Not all Feminist are sexist only some care more for their own gender /strawman

That was a interesting read, thanks for bringing it up.

Sexists feminists are hurting more than helping. Feminism is about trying to bring about equality for both sexes, but with any movement that might benefit you, a handful of people think it's appropriate to go a step further and pull these sort of stunts. Even if people would rather not call it "feminism", it's about trying to achieve equal rights for both sexes - not pushing yours forward and leaving the other one in the dust. That's not what equality is about - that's not what these people should be trying to achieve.

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Most modern feminists are just people desperate to be a part of something... I mean, what other reason would they have?

If they really gave a shit about women's rights actually being shit on, they would be protesting in the Middle East or at least raising awareness of it.

The hypocrisy of most modern feminists is on par with the United States arming terrorists.

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You have already more Female College graduates. Females outperform males in almost all Education systems in the 1st world. That is proofen by international tests.
But it is not the Job of Feminism to do something against that? I never heard a Feminist who said that that is an alarmsignal our equality aim might be in Danger.
Well is it better to overperform in terms of Feministic logic? It should not be. Equality is only a Footnote in Feminism.

The above is bad in itself but well why stop there.
What would stop Mainstream Feminism from claiming well Females are underrepresented in the upper Echolon of Workforce not in total Numbers but in comparsion to qualification.

I think that selfreflection is one of the hardest and unique features of the Human Species so is it in Feminism.
Its obvious that you have more Female college graduates because they are more intelligent.

At the same Time is it easy to ridicule any Male voice as rapist or as patriarchic biased while claiming moral Highground for yourself.
Hence i think Feminism can only change from within not in its Ideals but in its actions.

[Stir]

On the title of the topic:
Those women had a good reason to protest. They used shock-factor in their protest, but their protest is against institutionalized discrimination. It's not a feminist action per sé; the protesters just happened to be feminist. And MRA or human rights movement could have done exactly the same thing... Personally, I am fine with using shock factor as a part of protesting, but these protesters did behave excessively aggressive and, indeed, used their naked, aggressive postures as physical intimidation. And yes, a naked person can use their body much more effectively as a means of intimidation.
The way of protesting is then kind of... Well; I don't like it, personally. Stripping naked is one thing, but writing on your body in a manner that is still to this day associated with war paint is not. Screaming irrationally is also not a great way to make your point. A unified mantra does a much better job. Physical proximity is also abused, here, further intimidating the priest.

These women did have a good point, and it is a point that should be considered. Yes, we have freedom of speech, but this person (a bishop) has a position of power, and his speech, in this case, infringes upon the freedom of others. The freedom to get married. The freedom to find love. Because of his position of power, his opinion becomes more than just an opinion... And that is when 'freedom of speech' no longer applies. Your freedoms end where another one's freedoms begin.

As for the vlog beneath that: Yes, I agree with everything she said... But that's mainly because I think things like feminism and masculinism are both unnecessary. We have humanism and egalitarianism, and those rights movements are for everyone.
Once you believe your own rights trump those of someone else, you're simply wrong. Again: Your freedom ends where another one's freedom begins. Maybe the same should go for rights.

You have already more Female College graduates. Females outperform males in almost all Education systems in the 1st world. That is proofen by international tests.
But it is not the Job of Feminism to do something against that? I never heard a Feminist who said that that is an alarmsignal our equality aim might be in Danger.
Well is it better to overperform in terms of Feministic logic? It should not be. Equality is only a Footnote in Feminism.

The above is bad in itself but well why stop there.
What would stop Mainstream Feminism from claiming well Females are underrepresented in the upper Echolon of Workforce not in total Numbers but in comparsion to qualification.

I think that selfreflection is one of the hardest and unique features of the Human Species so is it in Feminism.
Its obvious that you have more Female college graduates because they are more intelligent.

At the same Time is it easy to ridicule any Male voice as rapist or as patriarchic biased while claiming moral Highground for yourself.
Hence i think Feminism can only change from within not in its Ideals but in its actions.

The problem here is bias. (Radical) Feminists would immediately come to the conclusion that the education discrepancy is because of female superiority. They have so long surrounded themselves with the views of female superiority that that is the first conclusion they'll draw.

They'll not draw the conclusion that, because of the economic recession, males are expected to get a job as soon as possible, because (thank you, patriarchy), males are expected to take care of females and children. Females, however, are now expected to try for a career and follow their own path in life (thanks, team patriarchy/feminism).
The result: Males will discontinue education because they are culturally expected to, whereas females will stave off (full time) employment because they are culturally allowed to.

This is a dynamic created by combination of cultural sexism and economic recession. Not a result of gender superiority.

(Edit: Logically, within the next two generations, females will dominate the higher educated workforce because of the education discrepancy. As long as we remember that it is the result of cultural sexism and financial distress, and has nothing to do with innate ability, this should not be a problem.)

[Wilian]

Feminists like that should be ferried over to islam states where they could actually make a proper case. But hey, that would be far too out of their comfort zone and actually dangerous so they rather stick here and battle against the "oppression of patriarchy".

[Deleted]

Feminism, a movement that is against sexism, but is using sexism.

Honestly, don't pay attention to these nutters, and they'll go away. I genuinely believe, and I mean, GENUINELY believe, that most of these feminists are actually just insane.

Yep, it's far easier to dismiss what someone is saying as insane instead of actually trying to understand what they're saying and why they are saying it.

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Feminists like that should be ferried over to islam states where they could actually make a proper case. But hey, that would be far too out of their comfort zone and actually dangerous so they rather stick here and battle against the "oppression of patriarchy".

This old chestnut; 'it's shit over there so be happy with what you've got here.'

Aye, okay.

[Noomz]

http://www.sanctepater.com/2013/04/f...hop-andre.html <--- Feminist attack Article.

I know this is old. But I never saw a thread about it. And I thought this is the perfect example on what modern femenist's are doing and how its not helping in anyway}}

Here is an example on what they stand for from a former femenist.o]

While radical feminists aren't the best of people, neither is the catholic church. I don't know who this priest is or what he's done to deserve something like this, if he has done anything at all.

If anyone is surprised when Christianity is homophobic, they don't really know what Christianity says about it. The organisted catholic church will never stop being against homosexuality. I know it's sad, but I don't think their religion allows them to not be homophobic. Those christians that aren't are either simply good people or not too strict about scripture.

No offense meant, I just find Christianity inherently homophobic, from a purely factual point of view.

[Gilian]

Because that worked sooo well in History.

What are you going to do then? Argue with them? Do you also argue with 5 year olds? Because that is how these women talk.

Tell me how that works out for you.

The more attention you give them the harder they are going to fight back. You can't reason with people who act stupid like this.

[Stir]

No offense meant, I just find Christianity inherently homophobic, from a purely factual point of view.

I could argue that Christianity is not 'inherently' homophobic.
There's a passage in Levi that speaks against homosexuality. It also speaks against (male) masturbation. The passage is pretty much to be held that sperm should not be wasted, and this is because, at the time of writing, Israel really needed babies.

Then there is a passage from Paul who speaks out against homosexuality. But you should understand that Christianity was only just forming, and it was forming in Greece, an area where homosexual acts were quite normal, but also (arguably) undermining the position of the woman. In Christianity, the woman has traditionally held a servile role, yes, but at the same time held her own 'power' within that role. In classical Greece, the position of the woman was different. While she was much more independent, she had much less rights and opportunities, and part of the reason for that was that, in certain areas of Greece, women were believed to be just for babies. It has, in certain areas of Classical Greec, been held that true love could only be among equals (men), and you only visited a woman to have your sperm incubated (they also believed that sperm contained a whole baby that just needed to be constructed).

All of the two innately homophobic mentions can simply be cast aside in sight of what was then needed for the community. In the same light, 'kosher' eating can be cast aside. There weren't that many deer, pigs and other non-domesticated animals in the Judaic lands, so people were only allowed to eat domesticated animals (sheep, donkeys and cattle).

Basically: A lot of dogmatic stuff in any religion is purely situational, and is not an inherent quality of the religion at all. Furthermore, Christianity is incredibly complex, with many different religions that all base themselves on the same books.

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The problem here is bias. (Radical) Feminists would immediately come to the conclusion that the education discrepancy is because of female superiority. They have so long surrounded themselves with the views of female superiority that that is the first conclusion they'll draw.

They'll not draw the conclusion that, because of the economic recession, males are expected to get a job as soon as possible, because (thank you, patriarchy), males are expected to take care of females and children. Females, however, are now expected to try for a career and follow their own path in life (thanks, team patriarchy/feminism).
The result: Males will discontinue education because they are culturally expected to, whereas females will stave off (full time) employment because they are culturally allowed to.

This is a dynamic created by combination of cultural sexism and economic recession. Not a result of gender superiority.

(Edit: Logically, within the next two generations, females will dominate the higher educated workforce because of the education discrepancy. As long as we remember that it is the result of cultural sexism and financial distress, and has nothing to do with innate ability, this should not be a problem.)

I fear that the superiority part is much more mainstream than you or maybe i expect.

The economic recession is but only a minor aspect in this trend i bet i could proof it with statistics. The trend wouldnt be a radical up and downward movement bound to economic factors but one of continious rising imbalance with minor timelapsed fluctuation.

The schoolsystem caters massively to the female sex be it in terms of social or biological quality. In its instituations, Teachers, Agenda and predominantly in its inability to see the different needs.

Equal rights are necessary but if we misunderstand that as equal needs or equal born the feminist experiment will end in a feminist society of inequality and prejustice.

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i just got pikmin 3 so who cares about some frustrated ppl lol

[Frolk]

I thought feminist were attacking the the CLASS priest and how often they r played by girls, i was VERY disappointed when i found out this was not the case

[Themius]

Had no idea every single modern femenist was the same /sarcasm.

I guess we can sum up mens right the same way too. A bunch of whiny privledge men who feel rape is the vault of the woman because men can't naturally control themselves (this I have seen an idiot actually say).

Generalizing, is never good.

[Austilias]

Once again demonstrating that Egalitarianism is the morally superior persuasion to maintain.

[inboundpaper]

Now, I think everyone can believe whatever the hell they want, but that doesn't give you a pass to be a dick about it.

[Stir]

Had no idea every single modern femenist was the same /sarcasm.

I guess we can sum up mens right the same way too. A bunch of whiny privledge men who feel rape is the vault of the woman because men can't naturally control themselves (this I have seen an idiot actually say).

Generalizing, is never good.

Second Wave masculinism already exists (in response to second wave/modern feminism). Its beliefs are pretty much the same as second wave feminism, and it escalated incredibly quickly.
So unfortunately, it seems to hold true.

When you try to tackle inequality from only a single perspective, shit like this will happen (and hold back progress). That's why it's bad.

[Wilian]

This old chestnut; 'it's shit over there so be happy with what you've got here.'

Aye, okay.

There are few differences in actual problems here and then those people who dig for problems to make a hassle over.

[dd614]

I'm pretty sure violently attacking and even killing christians have been advocated on this board before we no repercussions. Perhaps these feminists were posters on mmochampion?

[Wilian]

I'm pretty sure violently attacking and even killing christians have been advocated on this board before we no repercussions. Perhaps these feminists were posters on mmochampion?

No, that's muslims. Christians tend to be under the safety umbrella of mods.