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    Quote Originally Posted by Paximus View Post
    Murder of pugging.

    Murder of alts.

    Valor gear behind rep. Removal of tabards. Lower rep agains in general. No multiple bonus dungeons per day (I can't play all 7 days a week).

    No instant catchup. No, I don't care about the last tier being relevant. Never have, never will.

    Putting things like trainers and vendors across the world. Autofly isn't seeing the world either, it's just wasting my time.
    How did it murder pugging? I'm pugging ToT normal with some HC here and there on a weekly basis.

    How did it murder alts? I have 5 geared for ToT normal+

    Only valor gear that is relevant AND behind rep right now is shado-pan assault. I don't recall you getting Ashen Verdict/Avengers of Hyjal rep via dungeon farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l33t View Post
    To me, it is the pathetic attempts to steal our time. Every basic action, which in no way defines any gameplay, steals a portion of time for the reason of plain stealing a portion of time. Double gating rewards. Ten minutes spend for flying to raid summoning stone. Ten minutes spend for flying to item vendor. Horrible idiotic currency caps.
    I do realise that Blizz wants to conquer time-paying asian market, but for me this kind of forced wasting my time is annoying beyond limits.
    Also, I think they are making (and still continue to make it) a huge mistake when they start breaking community into smaller groups. Instead of giving a content for 5 people, they are focusing on content for three/one. Instead of making an Ulduar-style one raid difficulty with hard modes actively enabled by players themselves, they make four copies of the same instance. While it is comforting for lots of people to have their own little niche, dividing a community is never a good thing.
    And I should mention the story being just bad in general. What even worse, with every patch it becomes more and more illogical and childish.
    Well, let's hope it is not too late for Blizz to start making things right
    All the actions you take in an mmo define its gameplay. That's kind of the point of the genre. Not only does Blizzard obviously want you (the general player) playing often AND over the course of very long periods of time, but the rest of your peers actually want you to as well. Booming populations = active ones = far more opportunity for players to do things together. Semi-instant gratification, and removal of timesinks work against this.

    The trick is to make those 'timesinks', for lack of a better word, not only seem important, but also attach a sense of decision making, risk, and consequence to doing them (or not). Then they're no longer all that trivial. Blizzard is pretty terrible at this particular aspect of MMOs. In the examples you gave, flying to vendors and such have zero risk to them, and are, as such, completely uninteresting.

    Rail against it all you like, but mmo's fall flat on their faces without these elements, and they always will.
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  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Paximus View Post
    Murder of pugging.

    Murder of alts.

    Valor gear behind rep. Removal of tabards. Lower rep agains in general. No multiple bonus dungeons per day (I can't play all 7 days a week).

    No instant catchup. No, I don't care about the last tier being relevant. Never have, never will.

    Putting things like trainers and vendors across the world. Autofly isn't seeing the world either, it's just wasting my time.
    this all makes me wonder why cata should be that bad and mop such a relief according to the majority here.^^

    Stuff worked for me in cata as strange as this sounds.

    Tier sets were pure artist genious. twllight hammer style >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asia style. Asia style could have been better but not like it was shown in mop. Horrible ugly weapons and tier sets. Transmogg is not an excution for this. And then you get elite pvp sets with no stats but ugly pixels....wth?

    No bonus valor points for 5mans on a weekly basis and not reputation tabards, 2 horrible mistakes. Pointed out and handed multpile times to ghostcrawler and he just defends his shit.^^

    Indicator that the crap doesn't play his own work and doesn't know that games need to make fun, and wow shouldn't turn in a browserfarm game, operated only with gear addictions.

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    for some reason I instantly got bored of a raid after clearing it. it was either go to the next level (LFR to Normal - Normal to Heroic) or not interested. unlike tbc cata wotlk i did not complain about redoing the raids

    (well to be fair i did throne of four winds once and NEVER came back there again, even if i had to fake DC every single time the guild decides to go there.

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    1. The storyline was terrible, contrived, and preachy. Oh, you mean hate inside of us can turn us evil? Yoda did it first.

    2. My alts are an army of neglected toons. If you're going to make the game this rep-grindy, based on boring dailies, at least make the rep account-wide. Having to regrind August Celestials so I can make a couple of bags on my mage alt is just stupid. More often than not, I just logged off and played something else. I can't imagine that's what you want your game to be know for.

    3. Hiding gear behind two gates: Valor and Rep. Pick one or the other. Double gating is like double dipping.

  6. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    I love my main but I get bored of playing the same class or characters all the time, so, like in wrath and cata, I like to play alts.. then remember.. jesus, I need to grind months of dailies to get anything on him/her.
    I'm sorry but this isn't even true. I got a warrior to 90 a few weeks ago, crafted him a couple things, did a few heroics for 463 gear and it was lfr time. You don't even need to bother with the reps anymore. sure the 489 gear helps but it is by no means necessary any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevkul View Post
    -LFR being considered the catchup mechanic for alts. I've farmed those damn raids for months already, the last thing I want is to do it again.
    Because spamming the same dungeons over and over again is some how different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    The trick is to make those 'timesinks', for lack of a better word, not only seem important, but also attach a sense of decision making, risk, and consequence to doing them (or not). Then they're no longer all that trivial. Blizzard is pretty terrible at this particular aspect of MMOs. In the examples you gave, flying to vendors and such have zero risk to them, and are, as such, completely uninteresting.
    Rail against it all you like, but mmo's fall flat on their faces without these elements, and they always will.
    I won't say a word if that timesinks would actually require me to play, instead of making me waste ten minutes for a trivial task of buying a valor cape. It is just the same as if they would remove all AHs in the world and place one in Borean Tundra, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frogged View Post
    I don't blame them for making weird decisions like the one you brought up because I know their intentions are to avoid convenience, which is good for the game as a whole.
    And, since it is possible to complete a relevant tier in a ten hours with a freshly dinged 90 alt, looks like they've failed horribly in this particular task.
    Anyway, it still looks to me like a forced thing to have fellow asian players pay more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turskanaattori View Post
    How did it murder pugging? I'm pugging ToT normal with some HC here and there on a weekly basis.

    How did it murder alts? I have 5 geared for ToT normal+

    Only valor gear that is relevant AND behind rep right now is shado-pan assault. I don't recall you getting Ashen Verdict/Avengers of Hyjal rep via dungeon farm.
    Maybe on your server, but there is little to no pugging on mine.

    I don't enjoy lfr. I never have and I never will so gearing through that won't work for me.

    And I was referring to the initial launch. I only recently resubbed. And the valor vendors are gated behind raid rep which is drastically different than daily rep.

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    Making the legendary a prize for doing lfr for 100 weeks instead of doing heroic raids for 20% of that.
    Not making gold CM's super hard and making silver and bronze non important by being so faceroll by comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paximus View Post
    Maybe on your server, but there is little to no pugging on mine.

    I don't enjoy lfr. I never have and I never will so gearing through that won't work for me.

    And I was referring to the initial launch. I only recently resubbed. And the valor vendors are gated behind raid rep which is drastically different than daily rep.
    So, it didn't murder anything, but just did things you don't like?
    Seems fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turskanaattori View Post
    So, it didn't murder anything, but just did things you don't like?
    Seems fair.
    Given that this is an opinion thread and my playstyles indeed no longer work, yes.

    Yes it is fair.

  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    MoP has been more "alt friendly" than ever. Look how easy it is to gear up.... it's almost too fast.

    There is no reason to do all those dailies again unless you want to.

    If anything MoP's only problem with alts is that you too quickly run out of things to do.
    Maybe if you won the lottery and never have to work and never do anything but WoW...

    Definitely the alt friendliness for reasons already detailed. Most of the other "problems" in MoP are PEBCAK problems. "I feel like I have to do X even though I don't want to!" complaints are the most hilarious. To think that people publicly admit to being so weak-minded and helpless with their own time.

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    -It wasn't alt-friendly at the start
    -LFR necessary for catch-up and progression
    -Dailies feeling like a requirement

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    Here's how it goes.
    Patch comes 8-9m players.
    Patch gets old, 7-8m players.
    Patch comes 8-9m players.
    Patch gets old 7-8m players.
    Patch comes 8-9m players.
    New expansion 10m players.
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    Where before you actually had to spend a month or two (even as a non raider) to get around to do everything (to see it) you now can do in less than 1 month, the game doesn't "lack" content, it's simply too easy and available which makes the game a lot less interesting and entertaining after you've done them couple times.
    And yeah you say MoP is less alt friendly, but what's wrong with that? I mean I like to level alts and so on but I'm never gonna invest the same time into them as my main. I don't mind at all that alt activity is as tedious and "boring" as it was on my main, if anything that makes me care more about my alt and maybe give a sense of accomplishment when (if) I chose to take it up to alt raids and so on.

    Blizzard aimed very well and shot themselves in the leg when they introduced LFR, Flex should've been what LFR is today. It's completely retarded (not from an elitist pov) that you can jump into a group of 24 strangers, not talk to anyone (or very limited if any) and then proceed to kill every single boss that there is.
    I'm hoping that Flex somehow isn't going to be brain-dead activity and that people actually start enjoying raiding on a casual level again, I also hope LFR and Flex shares lockout if they don't remove LFR. Yeah I'm a hater of LFR, it's the single most retarded thing to come to wow since resilience in pvp... fucking game breaker introductions...
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    I played during the beta. Beta was a rather different environment, and playing it ruined the live version in two respects: I'd already done most of the content in the beta and a lot of stuff (including drop rates) were nerfed for live.

    This expansion had a ton of promise for solo play and alts. The rares, the treasures, the overpowered 80-85 twink gear, etc. They nerfed it all: a lot of the items dropped by the rares got the "only usable in Pandaria" tag, all the BOA twink armor got bumped to level 86, even the scaling enchants this patch were a nerf to twinks.

    Then there were the reputation grinds. They felt like the worst reputation grinds of any expansion. I only got to exalted with any of the reputations when they added the zandalari scouts/warbringers.

    Dungeons were boring. For whatever reason the attempt to give the dungeons a "busy" feeling, by having waves of npc's fighting each other or bosses crashing in or whatever just felt poorly done.

    Raiding was unimpressive. I stopped raiding early on, though, and can't comment on the later raid instances.

    And then there was the absolute waste of time and resources on useless shit nobody had asked for, like pet battles and CRZ.

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    One of my complaints is where the portals in pandaria are located. The portal to pandaria from org is as far north east as it can be, and the portal to IOT is almost at the furthest western point of the continent. I guess they think a 10 minute flight is fun. Its not, I tab out and catch up on what's being said on mmo-champ instead.

    I do not like to see them go out of their way to inconvenience me, and they did that a lot in MOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Plastico View Post
    One of my complaints is where the portals in pandaria are located. The portal to pandaria from org is as far north east as it can be, and the portal to IOT is almost at the furthest western point of the continent. I guess they think a 10 minute flight is fun. Its not, I tab out and catch up on what's being said on mmo-champ instead.

    I do not like to see them go out of their way to inconvenience me, and they did that a lot in MOP.
    and the gear vendors are even MORE out of the way in the god damn Ox temple for whatever reason. the hell are they not in the faction capital or main city of the Expac as they have been in the past? the mind boggles.

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    I don't like the theme.
    Most (If not all) of the PvP changes have been negative across the board.
    CRZ is a stupid system, and a band aid fix for a bigger problem.
    It's hard to find a good raiding guild anymore, because most people just do LOLFR and call it good.
    Mountains of dailies is their grand solution to the "not enough end game content" problem.

    I think it would be easier to list the things Mists got right. Let me think.. OH! I can play a ghetto version of Pokemon. That's just great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuul View Post
    Because spamming the same dungeons over and over again is some how different.
    No 20 minute queues, no 15 people AFK, and most importantly, you can control 1/5 of the outcome of the group.. in lfr you are just 1 of many and it can be very boring for so many to play with a bunch of retards that wouldnt kill Jin Rohk on normal mode.
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